Really amazing how many NON FF fans are playing this game

Closed-minded people ruin everything.

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Well to be fair the game will die out if they don't cater to some of the requests being made my "non loyal" final fantasy fans.

I personally don't see this game lasting any longer than SWTOR.

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which is entirely ok considering the game everyone apparently thinks is a failure has the second highest number of subscription (!) after WoW. but hey... yes... please live in the 2 year old bubble of 'tortanic'.

no really. ARR will be fine. same as TOR is doing just fine. (and yes, it actually is doing fine, even if it's the cool thing to do to hate on it)

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I'd rather have them focus on more unique things, like the armoury system. Not being able to change jobs/classes in a dungeon run, really?

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If you think elitism in the game is bad now, dig this up from the 1.0 grave and you'll see the full extent of it.

"Must have all classes with DL and Relic+1".

I'd like to believe a big part of why they didn't bring this back was because it was expected of you to have ARC and THM leveled to 50 and be geared enough to swap in between boss fights and trash. Just because the option is there for everyone to level everything on one character doesn't mean everyone wants to do it or should be expected to.

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If you think elitism in the game is bad now, dig this up from the 1.0 grave and you'll see the full extent of it.

"Must have all classes with DL and Relic+1".

.[/U]

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Maybe I am wrong now but isn't he refering to the actual game design. When our tank left in a dungeon finder group, I tried to change job but you're restricted to the class you entered as. It's inconvenient! :(

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T I could see SWTOR surviving (though maybe not thriving) longer in the long run compared to FFXIV for those reasons. XIV needs more expansion/story add-ons STAT, the way FFXI did. With each pack you get more areas, more story, more reasons to keep playing. Right now there's a severe wall that people are hitting too frequently and it's bringing things down for a lot of people.

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What? XI was out for a long time before RoZ ever came into play. Ya it was there sometime after NA release (RoZ wassame time a PS2 release), but man you are way off if you think expansions came fast and furious in XI.

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Yes.. it is frustrating that all these new players that probably (not all of them of course) dont know HECK about the rich history and tradition of final fantasy are demanding of this game to become.
I bet it is the vey SAME people that dont evne bother watching cutscenes and are just after gears, and items and such.

FF is much more than that my friends.

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ARR's story is rather dull, to be honest, and the "plot twists" it takes are more facepalm than "Oh, that's interesting". None of the characters have much in the way of depth to them, and the one time they had a chance to do something interesting (Lahabrea), they took the cheap way out. Final Fantasy is not some holy grail of story, so please don't try to make it out like it is.

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...come on.... complaining about something you don't even have to use?

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Indeed. I don't understand the hate towards something that would be entirely optional. Even if Squeenix implemented a PvP server (doubtful they would - they couldn't even open an RP-labeled server even though Yoshi explicitly stated he would), no one would be forced to roll on it.

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If you think elitism in the game is bad now, dig this up from the 1.0 grave and you'll see the full extent of it.

"Must have all classes with DL and Relic+1".

I'd like to believe a big part of why they didn't bring this back was because it was expected of you to have ARC and THM leveled to 50 and be geared enough to swap in between boss fights and trash. Just because the option is there for everyone to level everything on one character doesn't mean everyone wants to do it or should be expected to.

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There was no relic +1 in 1.0. There were only relics. +1 versions of relic are new with ARR, but I do remember the all jobs at 50 shouts

I'm pretty content with the fact that PvP is an absolute afterthought in this game and that once all the people crying for it try it, hate it, and then leave, our community will be that much better.

It would be terrible if they added pvp..

You know.. since...

End game is
Grind AK For Darklight or Wandering palace 10min runs now.
Grind Alts
Do the Coil
Crafting has no use tbh. People are in denial if they think other..

So yea.. thats endgame..

Next patch! They are adding content lower then the coil.. and the coil is stupid easy. up to turn 5.

Dont Add PvP.. dont Add New content makes perfect sense.

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Reading some of this crazy topics and requests, gets me thinking how man of these players are actually loyal final fantasy fans.

I cannot understnad how people ask for the following off a FF game:

OPEN PVP
Permadeath
PVP ONLY SEVERS
and so on and so forth....

THIS IS A FINAL FANTASY!!! Not your average PVP game.

So people need to get those facts straight and understand that things like STORY, and amazing cut scenes will take priority in this game.

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Why not? Did you ever play any Final Fantasy Tactics game? I did, and after getting max level, with the coolest jobs, and the best gears, for me there was only thing left to do: compete against other players to see who is the best! Ofc, that was not possible back then.

A FF game with pvp it's totally natural for me. I hope it turns out good btw.

Why are people dumb!? Just because PvP pops up people automatically believe it's open world. Don't worry kitties, no one is going to gank you!

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Maybe I am wrong now but isn't he refering to the actual game design. When our tank left in a dungeon finder group, I tried to change job but you're restricted to the class you entered as. It's inconvenient! :(

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If a healer or tank leaves you have little chance of completing it in time.

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What? XI was out for a long time before RoZ ever came into play. Ya it was there sometime after NA release (RoZ wassame time a PS2 release), but man you are way off if you think expansions came fast and furious in XI.

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I think you misread, I'm not saying FFXI was fast with its expansion releases, but that those expansions were crucial to keeping people interested. NA release had the advantage of Zilart being lumped into it, so right at the start you felt that there was more to do... and as I stated in the non-quoted part of my original post, SWTOR has more story content compared to XIV to keep people interested longer (if they are the type that want more story).

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Don't worry kitties, no one is going to gank you!

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My Miqote got stabbed in the throat by a tonberry :(

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I beg to difer. it was the LOYAL FANS that "sortta in a way" saved this game for death.

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If loyal fans were able to avert crisis, 1.0 wouldn't be dead. Company has to look at the cost and profit/liability, not at the faces of "loyalists".
Yoshida: "Because of the bad reception and history that we’ve had with 1.0, we believed there would be a slower start for 2.0. We didn’t expect the type of reception that we’ve gotten."
You honestly believe the surge was caused by the "loyalists"? I believe the non-loyalists are in the majority of this population surge. I'm a avid FF fan (or perhaps more of Square fan) but I keep an open mind about things, if the game is bringing the company towards a better future then that means the longevity of this game is secured... then I'm happy too.

PvP is not a new feature in Final Fantasy.

Dissidia has it.

I've played a variety of MMOs since 2000, starting with the original EverQuest (I really wish DAoC was my first MMO but c'est la vie). My pvp experiences are limited to WoW, WAR & DAoC (WAR being the most fun I had with pvp, even having rolled on the now non-existent ORvR servers). While I personally don't have much interest in pvp, I don't mind if it's in this game as an optional feature. If pvp servers were to be implemented, I don't think they would change pre-existing servers to pvp.

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I said there should be PvP Servers, not that all servers should have Open World PvP

PvP Servers
RP Servers
PvE Servers
Perma-Death Servers

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Pure PvP servers, with no bit PvE in it.
Every exp need to be earned with killing other players. There would be quests like "go and kill 5 Arcanists for me". Then every Arcanist in the right level range would show you the quest mark to their names.

And the raid bosses would be GMs