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10-15-2013, 11:55 PM
Tanaya

For reference, you can still skip mobs in AK.

However, I prefer chainpulling. I don't really care for sac-pulls.
10-15-2013, 11:58 PM
Soukyuu

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Originally Posted by Fantasy9

Also any cut scenes you skip CAN be viewed at "The Unending Journey" in the inn room.

Yes. Which is for the purpose of rewatching. While many don't give a flying... about custcenes and story (the whole skipalltextyouarewastingmypreciousgrindtime-crowd), there are others who want to enjoy the story. Making them skip on the first time creates a disjointed experience, so SE really should just not allow to skip the cutscenes the first time you view them.
10-16-2013, 12:42 AM
Fantasy9

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Yes. Which is for the purpose of rewatching. While many don't give a flying... about custcenes and story (the whole skipalltextyouarewastingmypreciousgrindtime-crowd), there are others who want to enjoy the story. Making them skip on the first time creates a disjointed experience, so SE really should just not allow to skip the cutscenes the first time you view them.

But at this point in the ARR lifecycle, almost all players have completed the story long ago. These same players are now condemned to endless hours/weeks/months of grinding for end-game gear. Why would we want to do anything but speedrun on dungeons that are meant to be run only for the tomes.
10-16-2013, 12:59 AM
Azazela

Nice, they made a tedious grindfest, even more of an unbearable grindfest.
10-16-2013, 01:03 AM
Ryios

AK, WP, CM are all 100 WP now. A good group can clear WP as fast or faster than CM. WP's Trash is quite tankable in chunks, e.g. in AF2/DL you can grab 2 or 3 packs at once, Overpower spam them and aoe them down. And the giant tonberries... You just run from, easy dungeon. With Relic+1 dps 1st, 2nd, last boss are a joke.
10-16-2013, 01:06 AM
Zakalwe

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Originally Posted by Fantasy9

With the amount of Tomes Of Philosophy that i have to grind for to gear my jobs is bad enough and then they go and block speed runs. I don't understand why this community whines so much about speed runs. No other community for any other mmo is this whiny about it.

CM's still plenty fast. You don't have to fight many more trash mobs, plus you now make enough gil from them to more than cover your repair bill.
10-16-2013, 01:20 AM
RyujinUzikin

I really don't care. The fact that now you can get 100 phil in AK made CM irrelevant.

CM is now for newcomers who want to sit around and watch 30 min cutscenes.
10-16-2013, 01:52 AM
Johnist

Has anyone tested to see if the mobs that are produced while the searchlights are on drop gil? If so we'll have a place where we can farm gil for purchasing end-game crafted items... CM Gil Parties like DD EXP Parties...
10-16-2013, 02:09 AM
Soukyuu

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Originally Posted by Fantasy9

But at this point in the ARR lifecycle, almost all players have completed the story long ago. These same players are now condemned to endless hours/weeks/months of grinding for end-game gear. Why would we want to do anything but speedrun on dungeons that are meant to be run only for the tomes.

I am one of those condemned to the endless grind, yet I want the new players to have a good experience I had as well, simple as that. Besides, with the recent patch AK became even more optimal tome wise - I just made a few runs with roughly 30 minutes (that was not even a full relic party), that's about the same as CM, and you get mythology tomes as well. So we can leave CM as well as Praetorium to the new players now, I'd say.
10-16-2013, 02:49 AM
Tupsi

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Originally Posted by Fantasy9

But at this point in the ARR lifecycle, almost all players have completed the story long ago.

Except for the people who join the game every day, still new people popping up in dungeons including the last two for story.
10-16-2013, 03:20 AM
BalthierLove

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Originally Posted by Tanaya

No, it isn't.

I have -never- got the ideal behind this. There is no problem whatsoever with skipping trash mobs if it is possible.

From common sense, they changed it because people were skipping these "trash mobs" meaning they were not playing the game the way it was intended, meaning it is somewhat like a form of cheating.

1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination
2. avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.
Synonyms for cheating: avoid, escape, evade, elude

So yes, it is a form of cheating by avoiding mobs that were never meant to be avoided.
10-16-2013, 10:23 AM
GameGeeks

Seems after these changes no one's really running this instance any more. Curious where everyone is at now. Going to guess Wanderer's Palace.
10-16-2013, 10:26 AM
Reslin

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Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Seems after these changes no one's really running this instance any more. Curious where everyone is at now. Going to guess Wanderer's Palace.

AK. Has the most Mythology and has 100 Philosophy.
10-16-2013, 10:30 AM
Skivvy

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Originally Posted by BalthierLove

From common sense, they changed it because people were skipping these "trash mobs" meaning they were not playing the game the way it was intended, meaning it is somewhat like a form of cheating.

1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination
2. avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.
Synonyms for cheating: avoid, escape, evade, elude

So yes, it is a form of cheating by avoiding mobs that were never meant to be avoided.

So every time I avoid a mob in some random high-level zone I'm cheating? Those mobs are designed to attack on sight, and here I go deftly evading them to save some time on the run to my destination of choice. I'm a cheater and I never knew!
10-16-2013, 10:36 AM
Alexb150

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Originally Posted by Mark-JPS

They are whining because they love hardcore and painful grinding. That's Japanese MMO for you. Japanese gamers loves grinding endless hours... You wonder why most hardcore gamers are always Japanese who always ends up in the leaderboard?

I thought it was because American MMO cater to the simple minded who expect everything for nothing
10-16-2013, 10:36 AM
Cubester

So, the only question I have: Are the douchebags gone from CM now?
10-16-2013, 10:50 AM
Brises

Clearly is was a mistake to make the best source for farming phil tomes in two story dungeons. This has been a big point of contention. Now that WP and AK give 100 phil tomes, there is really no need for speed runners to do CM or Praetorium, and those playing the story can do so without harassment. This seems to have been the main point of this change. Besides, AK is faster simply because it doesn't have so many cut scenes to skip.
10-16-2013, 11:01 AM
Malys

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Originally Posted by RyujinUzikin

I really don't care. The fact that now you can get 100 phil in AK made CM irrelevant.

CM is now for newcomers who want to sit around and watch 30 min cutscenes.

...which is what CM should've been in the first place, being story dungeon and all.
10-16-2013, 11:06 AM
Reiterpallasch

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Originally Posted by ispano

If it has eyes or what look like eyes it's sight aggro.

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...s_1_(FFXI).png
10-16-2013, 11:15 AM
GameGeeks

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Originally Posted by Reslin

AK. Has the most Mythology and has 100 Philosophy.

Yes but I figured people would go back to CM after capping out on myth for the week. Since even with the changes it's still faster then AK.
10-16-2013, 11:18 AM
LordSideKicks

You can run blindfold through WP. Need not worry about ppl who can't use cannons and know nuts about using cannon and stun the big guy in CM
10-16-2013, 04:59 PM
texhnolyze

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Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Yes but I figured people would go back to CM after capping out on myth for the week. Since even with the changes it's still faster then AK.

i'm done with CM
off to WP i go
10-16-2013, 05:28 PM
Antanias

Honestly, I'm glad they did this. I have friends that wouldn't touch CM b/c they've heard of the rather insane "requirements" by their fellow players to skip c/s's, have full DL + relic, and to have prior experience. It was a change for the better :D
10-16-2013, 05:43 PM
BalthierLove

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

So every time I avoid a mob in some random high-level zone I'm cheating? Those mobs are designed to attack on sight, and here I go deftly evading them to save some time on the run to my destination of choice. I'm a cheater and I never knew!

I was pointing out a key flaw in her post. Never did I say she or you were a cheater, but people like to make assumptions. *Shrugs*
10-16-2013, 06:00 PM
Teraluna

The fact that you could walk right behind guards (who where apparently completely devoid of any peripheral vision and also stone deaf) just looked a bit daft. Sure it can be a bit slower, but I'd rather have it a bit more realistic.
10-16-2013, 06:13 PM
CUTS3R

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

The fact that you could walk right behind guards (who where apparently completely devoid of any peripheral vision and also stone deaf) just looked a bit daft. Sure it can be a bit slower, but I'd rather have it a bit more realistic.

Sure, it doesn't make any sense in a totally realistic game such as a Final Fantasy.

*warps away realistically*
10-16-2013, 06:16 PM
Zumi

I haven't done CM but rushing through sleeping mobs along the way still works doesn't it?
10-16-2013, 06:26 PM
joshdavis271

I'm more tempted to kill the trash now anyhow since they drop gil, unless of course they only drop 1 gil
10-16-2013, 08:17 PM
Soukyuu

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

Sure, it doesn't make any sense in a totally realistic game such as a Final Fantasy.

There is fantasy, and there is absurdness. Fantasy is people with wings, non-human races and magic. Absurdness is people walking on their tongues, speaking out of their behinds and guards watching their comrades getting turned into mincemeat because they're x meters, sorry, malms away. Or y malms to the side.

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

I'm more tempted to kill the trash now anyhow since they drop gil, unless of course they only drop 1 gil

They drop around 50+-2 gil now.
10-16-2013, 08:35 PM
whycantiusebetaforumname

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

So they stopped hiring Metal Gear Solid guards?

Lol id so love to have the mgs spotted sound sound off when monsters aggrod
10-16-2013, 08:44 PM
SnickleWhiskers

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Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Yes but I figured people would go back to CM after capping out on myth for the week. Since even with the changes it's still faster then AK.

Can easily get Ak done in 20 minutes.
10-16-2013, 10:25 PM
Namko

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Originally Posted by SnickleWhiskers

Can easily get Ak done in 20 minutes.

I used to be able to sac pull all the way into the first floor boss room and still have majority HP pre patch (before they locked the door). Haven't tried it since then but last night I could barely reach the second group of Lambs. I might have been doing something different but what's the general strat for PLD now? I used sprint after the first iron giant and blew my defensive cool downs. 0.o

Edit: Didn't stun the giants, maybe that's why I was eating so much damage.
10-16-2013, 11:16 PM
mr_wazzabi

As long as cannons are not nerfed i'm happy. I run cm just for them :D.
I love how trash mobs drop gil now. Now we don't have to be poor from running endgame dungeons
10-17-2013, 12:41 AM
HurtigeKarl

So to sum up: all of you who raged at your fellow player for not skipping cutscenes, for completing the DD objectives, for not knowing the dungeon the first time they do it, etc, are responsible for these nerfs. Well, it was either that or a massban wave :D.
10-17-2013, 12:45 AM
Amyas

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Originally Posted by Fantasy9

With the amount of Tomes Of Philosophy that i have to grind for to gear my jobs is bad enough and then they go and block speed runs. I don't understand why this community whines so much about speed runs. No other community for any other mmo is this whiny about it.

lol wut. You don't have to grind CM for gear. You don't. You can skip dl ffs.

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