"Nice Players"

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Originally Posted by dontcare

It is not "false expectation" to expect a level 50 to know how to play their class, sorry.



Why do people act as if good players have an obligation to help bad players but bad players do not have an obligation to spend time researching their class and learning how to play?

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no one said it was an obligation to help someone else out just as no one here is obligated to even play this game or post on these forums. Kinda like you're not obligated as a "bad" player to do research on your job. or a good player not being "obligated" to teach. I shall now invoke the Good Samaritan law!

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Originally Posted by Kirschey

I love how everyone wanted to jump down OP's throat for advocating threats/being mean
when that isn't what he said at all.

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Idk what you've read, but he specifically pointed out players that 'had been bullied'. :T Sounds like defending harassment to me.

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Originally Posted by dontcare

So what is the proper way to react when someone wastes your time?

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Lets just say if the only option you can come up with when you encounter bad/mediocre players is 'L2P F**** IDIOT', you should quit games that involve playing with other human beings.
You can stay silent. You can offer tips. You can quit the instance. There are plenty of other ways to react 'when someone wastes your time' rather than violate the ToS. :P

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Originally Posted by dontcare

So what is the proper way to react when someone wastes your time?

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This is doubly ironic. For someone who doesn't care, you sure are unable to show it. About every thread I click on you're showing how much you truly do care. <3 And you're bitching about people wasting your time as if whining about it on a forum isn't.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Lets just say if the only option you can come up with when you encounter bad/mediocre players is 'L2P F**** IDIOT', you should quit games that involve playing with other human beings.
You can stay silent. You can offer tips. You can quit the instance. There are plenty of other ways to react 'when someone wastes your time' rather than violate the ToS. :P

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And I encourage anyone who is at the end of this or even witnesses it to report the harasser. They're so desperate to save themselves 5 minutes, let them get a 3-day ban to give them some perspective of the time only they wasted by being a douche.

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Originally Posted by Lucroarna

"It is better to teach a man to fish than to give him a fish for nothing"

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Wow, just imagine going for fishing lessons and hearing:

- "WTF y u no reel in, idiot!! go kill ur self n00b."
- "u bad, never fish again."
- "that rod is iLevel 65, u need iLevel 70 rod for this lake! GTFO!"
- [boat driver goes AFK]
- "damn casuals are ruining fishing!"
- "stop looking at the scenery, you can look up videos of this lake view later at the inn!!"

http://i.imgur.com/VWr6I.gif

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Wow, just imagine going for fishing lessons and hearing:

- "WTF y u no reel in, idiot!! go kill ur self n00b."
- "u bad, never fish again."
- "that rod is iLevel 65, u need iLevel 70 rod for this lake! GTFO!"
- [boat driver goes AFK]
- "damn casuals are ruining fishing!"
- "stop looking at the scenery, you can look up videos of this lake view later at the inn!!"

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This post made this WHOLE thread worth it. Thanks for the laugh ^^

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Wow, just imagine going for fishing lessons and hearing:

- "WTF y u no reel in, idiot!! go kill ur self n00b."
- "u bad, never fish again."
- "that rod is iLevel 65, u need iLevel 70 rod for this lake! GTFO!"
- [boat driver goes AFK]
- "damn casuals are ruining fishing!"
- "stop looking at the scenery, you can look up videos of this lake view later at the inn!!"

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Although the entire post was pure gold, this line in particular had me rolling

Yeah, the whole "you can watch it at the in" phrase is almost a signature of every single petulant and abhorrent player I have had the bad luck to run a dungeon with.

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Originally Posted by Kasathar

Yeah, the whole "you can watch it at the in" phrase is almost a signature of every single petulant and abhorrent player I have had the bad luck to run a dungeon with.

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From now on if I see that phrase in a run, I'll just actually watch the cutscene. They wanna continue the dungeon without me, fine by me. They wanna leave, that's their option too.

I never likes the idea of Duty Finder, especially after playing with WoW's LFG and LFR. These two tools usually harbouring social outcasts. I prefer old fashion gaming of looking for party from your own server. With one character system and character reputation, it usually raise a more healthy, non toxic player community, for example FF11 is much better than WoW's community.

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Originally Posted by Lucroarna

No sane individual ENJOYS losing to a COMPUTER.

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Promise me you'll never play dark souls.

There's this thing called "constructive criticism". Which sounds better:
Dude: "Oh you died because you got hit by that aoe, you should try x skill to keep moving or this tactic or run here to avoid it :)"

Or

Dude:Omfg u stewpid noOb learn to ply you retard *leaves".

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Also on the second example that's how I portray most of these people as, little kiddies who can't spell that think the world revolves around them.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Idk what you've read, but he specifically pointed out players that 'had been bullied'. :T Sounds like defending harassment to me.

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He said players that that think they have been bullied. This community is VERY quick to pull the "QQ this person is a meanie!" card. For an example, in a CM run i was doing with mostly FC mates and only 2-3 pugs, we were calling each other fat/obese when we pulled mobs that didn't need to be pulled, and just generally joking around with each other, and some guy started whining about how we were being elitist and mean.

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Originally Posted by Kirschey

He said players that that think they have been bullied. This community is VERY quick to pull the "QQ this person is a meanie!" card. For an example, in a CM run i was doing with mostly FC mates and only 2-3 pugs, we were calling each other fat/obese when we pulled mobs that didn't need to be pulled, and just generally joking around with each other, and some guy started whining about how we were being elitist and mean.

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Sarcasm does not read through text. That guy doesn't know your relationships and FCs do not show in DF so just be careful with that :) He was just describing what it looked like to him. Generally if I'm doing that with guildies/fellow FC members/friends I do it in whisper/LS/guild/FC chat.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Wow, just imagine going for fishing lessons and hearing:

- "WTF y u no reel in, idiot!! go kill ur self n00b."
- "u bad, never fish again."
- "that rod is iLevel 65, u need iLevel 70 rod for this lake! GTFO!"
- [boat driver goes AFK]
- "damn casuals are ruining fishing!"
- "stop looking at the scenery, you can look up videos of this lake view later at the inn!!"

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ROFL! Such amusing mental imagery XD

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Wow, just imagine going for fishing lessons and hearing:

- "WTF y u no reel in, idiot!! go kill ur self n00b."
- "u bad, never fish again."
- "that rod is iLevel 65, u need iLevel 70 rod for this lake! GTFO!"
- [boat driver goes AFK]
- "damn casuals are ruining fishing!"
- "stop looking at the scenery, you can look up videos of this lake view later at the inn!!"

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Best post on this shitty forum to date. Had a good laugh buddy.

Bullying should never be an acceptable form of behavior.

However, being nice does go both ways. So keep that in mind when both giving and receiving advice.

That being said here are a few tips for using DF.
Do not use DF if you want a speed run.
Do not use DF and expect a smooth run or people to know the fight/dungeon.
Do not use DF if you are not willing to explain the fight/dungeon.
Do not use DF if you are trying to avoid newbies and players who's gear isn't ilvl90.

Make a premade group or deal w/ DF in all of its glory.

I know we were all taught how to behave since we were born.
Never once were we taught that it was acceptable to be cruel to other people.

I'm starting to see the difference in maturity levels becoming ever more apparent in the forums. There are regulars with higher maturity, some new with high maturity, and clearly many others falling into a self absorbed childish mentality. Some due to peer pressure (humpf).

First let's get some real truth down:

1. Many are falling into a group that are quickly breaking the TOS. It will be dealt with eventually. It better to take a deep breath, focus and rethink now then when it is too late.

2. No other gamer has any right to dictate to another payed customer what content they are entitled to play, including the viewing of CS content that is an aspect of the game. Harassing people bsed on it is a breach of the TOS. The only thing you can do is take a breath, let go of meaningless emotions that provide no benefit, and learn to improve on your communication skills in a positive manner.

3. Manipulating others, the game, to fit your needs, disregarding how it is designed, is also a TOS breach. Exploiting the game includes exploiting others.This includes content others can play, so further harassing them will only result in discipline against you.

4. You are no more, or less then any other player who pays a subscription and abides by terms. As long as you abide by the terms of SE. You can not create your own terms.


Nice Players are those who have a little more restraint. Typically they have enough wisdom and control over mind and self. Yet can stand their ground.

When dealing with rude, dictating, immature gamers. Do not give into their weakness. Remain calm. Clarify game structure and policy (learn it), and do not indulge in unproductive exchange of self delusional wits. Be calm, and if they continue, report them and let SE very it by logs so they see you were wise, and the other was harassing. I had to explain this to my buddy who plays my character at times. I myself as a Buddhist do not react to those who have to work through their issues, but try to affect them in a positive manner that benefits them. My young bodhisatta friend tends to fly off the handle, but he's learning. Report those that harass, let them learn from it. All people have the potential to be wise, calm, and controlled, but some simply need more cleaning out of the mind.

How to view others more clearly:

Try not to judge. Try being a compassionate leader that is both strong and wise. LEt others who are calm, collect and experienced help guide you.

We want A Realm Reborn to succeed. To improve. To expand. That takes everyone. As it exapands, we do not want to cause others to be shunned away and avoid it like a plague.

See each person playing as a friend. Sharing in the growth and adventure. Help each other grow.

Don't be quick to judge. Some people act out for other reasons. We do not know their troubles, or what causes suffering, and the need to raise them selves up above others to help compensate. There are times a bully, can quickly crumble and be harmed by words you think were just being defensive. They act tough, but in reality, are often more vulnerable then yourself.

Reflect qualities. Cause and effect. Reflecting good qualities, patience, compassion, and understanding will get all players ahead. Some times you need to carry them. Sometimes you need to be carried. You will gain far more respect as a tolerant, patient, helping player, then as a loud, rude, selfish player. When you cause good images through assisting, the effect is often a return of favor when it is needed and people will remember names.

Travel well in Erozea.

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Originally Posted by e90guy

I just don't understand why this game attract so many people with anger issue. There is no need to insult other when they don'to live up to your expectation. You never know some of these players may be brilliant scientists/doctors/artists in RL who are simply not good at video game. Just be patient and have fun. It's not like the game is going to shut down tomorrow.

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Its a fantasy virtual world where people can be whoever they want to be. Its an escape from reality, its not like we have outstanding members of society playing side by side with us.

No offence to all the awesome membera of this community

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Originally Posted by Taeyeon

Its a fantasy virtual world where people can be whoever they want to be. Its an escape from reality, its not like we have outstanding members of society playing side by side with us.

No offence to all the awesome membera of this community

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You can live the fantasy but within the real world Terms of Service.

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Originally Posted by kazaran

You can live the fantasy but within the real world Terms of Service.

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But do you really think these type of players care about the ToS. They really dont, they will either move on to another game or buy a new account, these parasites are always going to be a part of gaming communities. I was just answering to OP questiom of why some people are so mean or cruel.

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Originally Posted by Taeyeon

But do you really think these type of players care about the ToS. They really dont, they will either move on to another game or buy a new account, these parasites are always going to be a part of gaming communities. I was just answering to OP questiom of why some people are so mean or cruel.

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I don't know about that, my previous MMORPG; DDO didn't have toxic players in the least. The whole community was kind and supportive to new players and the generally unskilled casuals. Not once in 4 years of play did I ever run into an elitist like I have in FFXIV. Oddly enough, when I first played FFXIV v.1 the community was very different. It has completely flip flopped from what it once was. But, hopefully some more folks will realize that they are dealing with other human beings when they decide to be hateful. Also btw Kazaran, i thoroughly enjoyed your post. All hate gamers should read your post as a general guideline.

XI was the same way really. There were some douches here and there as there will always be but they weren't nearly as widespread as they seem to be here. I'm hoping these are just the hoppers that will be gone when the next MMO launches.

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Originally Posted by Ex-SOLDIER

I don't know about that, my previous MMORPG; DDO didn't have toxic players

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Same goes for LotRO. Turbine do a good job in harvesting a positive community, even when they have massive issues.

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Originally Posted by Dsync

Same goes for LotRO. Turbine do a good job in harvesting a positive community, even when they have massive issues.

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Yea, DDO and LOTR had their share of Problems but nothing ever to do with the community. I always remember my guild and I always dogging on Turbine for not fixing bugs quickly enough. But sadly SE can only do so much about a bunch of nasty people, lol.

It seems to be that this mentallity has been bred from WoW and LoL.... hmmm... hopefully they just move on to EQN and don't bother wastin the required 39 weeks to acquire AF2+1...

Yes, it's a video game. However, when you play Mario, do you just *not* jump to have more fun? Is it *fun* to lose to a boss fight 70+ times in a row? Is it *enjoyable* losing to the same exact thing over and over?

FFXIV Translation to failing to dodge titan plumes:
"OMG THE GAME IS BROKEN AND IT'S NOT MY FAULT! I DON'T *CARE* THAT SEVEN OTHER HUMAN BEINGS ARE *LOSING* BECAUSE OF ME! IT'S JUST A GAME, SO THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE!"

What people fail to understand is how their attitude changes in an online game compared to a single player game.

You SHOULD feel responsibility for playing well when 7 other people are affected by your actions. If you are *really* that selfish, you shouldn't be playing online games. It's *rude* to not try when others are trying. It's *rude* to assume you don't need to help others.

It's a game. With other people. When you lose, they lose. Stop making excuses.

OP keeps inserting foot in mouth, I would highlight the irony and lack of logic on his last quote but I am just here to let people know that seeing a flying lawn mower brings peaceful and happy thoughts.

Remember to never let your jimmies be rustled over trivial things.

If you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all.

Just . . . just stop talking.

Do you people who disagree even know what it is you're arguing against or....you just want to disagree to feel intelligent...?

You're saying that playing badly and taking an hour to do something that can be done in 25 minutes is objectively superior.

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Originally Posted by Lucroarna

Do you people who disagree even know what it is you're arguing against or....you just want to disagree to feel intelligent...?

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I'm not sure you are really reading any of the arguments against you. Or at least taking them into consideration. There are some people who agree with some of what you are saying but consider your mindset as a whole to be the problem. On top of that you are leaving no room for an actual argument, as you have already decided that you are right and everyone else is wrong. So no, this isn't an argument. This is you shouting your opinion at everyone else considering it is to be taken as fact.

That is the vibe I got from Lucroarna as well. But I was able to meet up with my multi-gaming community ( The Unrepentant ) , and dont have to deal with schlubs like him anymore. Farewell hate-gamers :D

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Originally Posted by Lucroarna

Do you people who disagree even know what it is you're arguing against or....you just want to disagree to feel intelligent...?

You're saying that playing badly and taking an hour to do something that can be done in 25 minutes is objectively superior.

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By and large most arguments in his thread aren't arguing anything of the sort, rather they are arguing against your point in the original post, where you are implying it is not okay to be nice to people who "waste your time" so to speak. They aren't arguing that it is objectively "fun" to lose, or anything of the sort. Merely they are stating that it is never appropriate to be rude or harass others, even if they do the same to you. Especially given harassment is against the ToS.

The key thing to remember is this: not everyone plays for the same reasons. It isn't objective. Some people play for the most efficient win, some play for the journey. Some play for both, and believe in taking however long it takes to get good enough to win efficiently. The entire argument about "how" to play is inherently subjective: therefore it is also not appropriate to harass someone who does not subjectively enjoy the same things you do. i.e. The argument of how you should behave to those who disagree with you/play differently than your expectations is not entirely subjective, especially given there is a ToS covering the issue. (No Language, no harassment, etc).

Lol This OP gave me a good laugh.