Gaming Addiction

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Wow, so you aren't addicted to video games!! Good for you! What's your point?

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You asked why I play this game if I live in a sunny state. I answered. Ta-da, magic and rainbows.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Ok argue that ffxiv can't be addictive because it sucks, or argue that gaming addiction is a myth conjured up by girls who can't get their boyfriends to turn off WoW so they can get attention too, argue that i only made this thread because i'm on a high horse, whatever. My point has been made.

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Jack another thing just because a girlfriend cannot pull her bf from tv screen, computer monitor, or their ds doesn't mean the player is addicted. There are underlying factors to every circumstance, and calling something an addiction because of observed actions and pre conceived notions is not correct either.

Unless you are a professional psychologist and deal specifically in addictions you should not be telling people what they could be doing with their spare time.

I spend about 5-6 hour 3-5 days a week paying xiv. I would not consider this a problem. I am gainfully employed, have a family, a house, and have social and familial obligations. Now with my spare time i choose to take up gaming specifically xiv because I enjoy it. My fiance she watches tv and is pregnant and not very mobile, so we are limited in what we can do. So when she watches tv I am bored, because I do not like tv. As well After 10+ hours at work the last thing I want to do is read or anything that remotely resembles my job.

How does your post and opinions relate to me? it doesn't and most the people bar very few as well. Like I said unless you're a professional in the field it would be better if you do not come to a forum like this to bring up these topics. You are better served in a blog or other social media like facebook.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Also for the addiction part, sure video games can be addictive but I would rather the people I know be addicted to video games instead of being addicted to Meth or Coke or other stupid crap that is a lot more harmful.

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Are you seriously saying that its ok to be addicted to games as apposed to meth?

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Misha gaming addiction is very real, its tantamount to gambling addictions.
EDIT: To say that MMORPGs aren't designed to be addictive would be pretty ignorant.

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I have a drinking problem JackDaniels, could you link me to the right direction?

I probably have an addiction, but it doesnt affect my life, and i play so many different games.

If I go out get sunburnt i'll probably get cancer, or i'll get bitten by some bug, or a wasp will start with me, or i could get run over, NASTY WORLD OUT THERE! No one bothers to cast raise so i aint risking it.

No need to get defensive, Jack. Most people don't like it when someone tells them they should live their life based on the opinion of another rather than how they choose to live it.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Wow, so you aren't addicted to video games!! Good for you! What's your point?

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What's yours, posting in a mmorpg forum the dangers of mmorpgs ? People who play it love it, and telling they're potential social outcast don't help much.
Personally, the majority of people playing mmorpgs know when stop, going out with friends ecc. The exceptions are mostly people with pre-existent mental disorders, and an appeal from an unkown on internet will be just ignored

edit: and foremost, nobody take credit from an unkown on internet telling how they should live, for how much right he can have

You guys are demonizing me and ad-homonym attacking me over a thread that promotes well being for people who have a serious illness. I'm not telling anyone how to live their lives, I'm providing tools to help one determine if they have an illness in the first place and tools to help deal with it.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

You guys are demonizing me and ad-homonym attacking me over a thread that promotes well being for people who have a serious illness. I'm not telling anyone how to live their lives, I'm providing tools to help one determine if they have an illness in the first place and tools to help deal with it.

I'm sorry if you people can't wrap your minds around it.

Do you want an apology?? If you do, go drink some bleach and then I'll apolgize.

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Well when you put it that way, you MUST be on to something. Let me sign up for your newsletter.

*rolls eyes*

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

You guys are demonizing me and ad-homonym attacking me over a thread that promotes well being for people who have a serious illness. I'm not telling anyone how to live their lives, I'm providing tools to help one determine if they have an illness in the first place and tools to help deal with it.

I'm sorry if you people can't wrap your minds around it.

Do you want an apology?? If you do, go drink some bleach and then I'll apolgize.

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You look a lot like jack thompson now

Whether or not what you're calling a "serious illness" is in fact a serious illness is a matter of opinion.

And you absolutely are telling people how to live their lives.

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It's almost summer, go out an enjoy being young. Gaming addiction is serious business. Take an extended break, or cut down your playtime, you won't be any less of a person for not having 4 subs at rank 40 for each main class by July. If you game all summer you will miss out on camping, biking, travelling/ road trips, swimming, tanning, going to the beach, bbqs etc, and all the other fun things life has to offer during any season.

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That doesn't sound like providing tools to me. Those are commands.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

You guys are demonizing me and ad-homonym attacking me over a thread that promotes well being for people who have a serious illness. I'm not telling anyone how to live their lives, I'm providing tools to help one determine if they have an illness in the first place and tools to help deal with it.

I'm sorry if you people can't wrap your minds around it.

Do you want an apology?? If you do, go drink some bleach and then I'll apolgize.

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No need for an apology, you just need to...calm down a bit. That would surely be a good start.

Bottom line, even if one considers gaming to be addictive, your post is tantamount to telling an insomniac they need to go to sleep.

Also, I wouldn't trust anything from the CRC Health Group, including that website you link to. They are a for-profit organization full of greedy lobbyists that would just love for you to admit to having all the "disorders" they advertise, because it's money in their pockets if you do.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

It's almost summer, go out an enjoy being young. Gaming addiction is serious business. Take an extended break, or cut down your playtime, you won't be any less of a person for not having 4 subs at rank 40 for each main class by July.

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I see what you're trying to do! Getting everyone else to leave for a few months so you can get ahead of us! Don't try to trick me!

*furiously levels more subs*

Your reverse psychology won't work on me...

No medical journal on the planet called Video Game Addiction a Illness yet. the APA doesn't recognize it. And it is not claimable as disability or for insurance purposes for "treatment." Therefor it is not an Illness.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Bottom line, even if one considers gaming to be addictive, your post is tantamount to telling an insomniac they need to go to sleep.

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Lolololololololol

The problem JackD is the fact you think video game addiction is the illness as do many ignorant people and that is just the catalyst to an underlining problem. The people who succumb to extreme game addiction have a mental illness period and video games catch the flak for it. No matter what those people were doing whether it was playing games, collecting junk, or even being self harmful like cutting themselves or any other million possibilties of things they could do they will always go to the most extreme because they have a preexisting mental illness. Whether they are bi-polar, schizo, or lack self confidence,other people always look for something else to blame instead of actually blaming the real problem itself.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

The problem JackD is the fact you think video game addiction is the illness as do many ignorant people and that is just the catalyst to an underlining problem. The people who succumb to extreme game addiction have a mental illness period and video games catch the flak for it. No matter what those people were doing whether it was playing games, collecting junk, or even being self harmful like cutting themselves or any other million possibilties of things they could do they will always go to the most extreme because they have a preexisting mental illness. Whether they are bi-polar, schizo, or lack self confidence people always look for something else to blame instead of actually blaming the real problem itself.

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Exacly what i said. Videogames are a vector, not the problem

I used to be a member of a website called Gaming Addicts. The slogan was "If there is a cure.. we don't want it."

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The thought behind this thread is nice. Who knows, someone in the beginnings of building an addiction might well have taken a hint and applied changes. But the thread is being pulled down in the dirt by two facts: the people responding are getting agitated, and the OP fails to see past this.

It is obvious that people will be annoyed and feel like they're being targeted, because everyone in this forum are gamers in one way or another. To the gamers: I believe this post was meant for those who have a problem with addiction, whether it will help or not, not for you. To the OP: there are many people playing a lot without actually being addicted, and they feel you are targeting them. This is rather predictable, and you'd do well in looking past that, keeping a polite tone. Answering in rude ways won't get anyone on your side. It simply ruins your point.

I think if most of us were so addicted to it, we wouldn't be posting on forums. :P

Aye, I understand the post just the same as when FFXIV used to post it on their beta about remember you have a RL and all that stuff. But being informative is one thing but he was kind of being derogative and maybe not even intentionally meaning to do so.

To be honest Leo, the logic behind this thread fell flat on it's face before people even started debating anything. Addiction (in all it's myriad forms) is nothing but the effect of deeper emotional and psychological issues, and those issues are not going to be solved by going hiking or swimming this summer. The people who are truly addicts will never even listen, and everyone else isn't really addicted in the first place.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Do you want an apology?? If you do, go drink some bleach and then I'll apolgize.

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But if I drink my bleach, what will I use to make my Meth?! D:

I will squander my youth as I see fit, thank you very much. :rolleyes:

(Here's what my intervention will look like.)

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

To be honest Leo, the logic behind this thread fell flat on it's face before people even started debating anything. Addiction (in all it's myriad forms) is nothing but the effect of deeper emotional and psychological issues, and those issues are not going to be solved by going hiking or swimming this summer. The people who are truly addicts will never even listen, and everyone else isn't really addicted in the first place.

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Yes I know, and I agree. While I don't believe the post will do much change, it was in itself not such a bad thought to post it. But I stand on no ones side in this thread, it just annoys me when neither side manages to keep at least a certain level of respect for the other.

Anything can become an addiction to anyone; it’s the overall impact that that addiction has over all that is more so taken seriously.

Your site says that 10-15% of all gamers can be considered an addict. So if roughly 69 % of the world plays video games, and there are 6.7 billion people on the world, which means if we took the high road: 1 billion people are addicted to gaming? It seems a bit high considering the amount of people addicted to other things.

Gambling addiction is very closely related to Gaming since they are basically games, yet only roughly 15 million people are considered addicts of Gambling? So the 1 billion gaming addicts seems unbalanced…

About 13 million people in the word are considered Alcoholics, but they also go out driving and get people killed by drunk driving.

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If each alcoholic affects the lives of four or five others " spouse, children, employer, employee, innocent victim of accident, or other " then our 12.1 million alcoholics have an impact on 40 to 50 million others for a total of about 60 million citizens. The president of a state association of judges stated that "90 to 95 percent of all the cases that come before my bench " civil, criminal and family " involve alcohol." Alcohol may not be the sole cause, but is a part-cause in much juvenile delinquency, illegitimate pregnancy, truancy, and fights. Numerous reports indicate that about 73 percent of felonies are alcohol-related. A survey of the literature shows that in about 67 percent of child-beating cases, 41 percent of forcible rape cases, 80 percent of wife-battering, 72 percent of stabbings, and 83 percent of homicides, either the attacker or the victim or both had been drinking. Automobile crashes in the United States kill nearly as many people each year as the total of 46,483 American soldiers killed in the entire dozen years of the Vietnam War.

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Seems to have a bigger impact seeing all of the death involved…

What about the 1.4 Billion people in the world who are smokers?

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Around 6 million people may die each year worldwide staring in 2010 because of smoking and tobacco related disease, according to the World Health Organization – including over 438,000 Americans, 650,000 Europeans and 1.2 million people in China.
Tobacco use will kill 1 billion people worldwide in the 21st century if current smoking trends continue.
One billion men and about 250 million women use tobacco every day around the world.

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What about the drug users? If you want to see scary numbers go look at this site, it was way too much depressing figures to quote here:

http://www.usnodrugs.com/drug-addiction-statistics.htm

So yes Video Gaming can be an addiction and while there have been some violent acts tied to games, and yes it’s a shame that people let games control their lives in such a way... until I see more solid statistics like the above involved with video game usage I have more important things to worry about.

On the flip side this could help someone also but in the end you can't really be mad at people’s reactions to such a post because also remember the number one response of an addict is denial.

Over all yeah the site was an interesting read, but not one of my top concerns in the world.

How come I must know
Where obsession leads me to go

Apologies in advance for skipping a few pages of comments.

Gaming, specifically MMO addiction, is real. I first experienced this with FFXI. At one point, I was (sadly) averaging 8 hours a day, over the period of a year. The endorphin rush that you experience can be comparable to 'drugs.' Thankfully, I was able years ago to control this addiction (for now). I personally had to quit MMOs for a while. I still play MMOs and enjoy the exhilaration and reward that they bring, but I've got other things in my life now to balance things out.

I'm currently addicted to exercise (I like to call it my hobby..), I usually hit the gym 10+ hours a week. I can live with this addiction since it's benefited my health and it's nice having a 'beach body.' Still, it can be difficult to keep things under control. I think a lot of this has to do with my personality.

Anyhow, I'm not saying that just because people play MMOs a lot that they're addicted; it has a lot to do with who you are and your life circumstances. If you do play a lot, you might want to consider that you may have an addiction; being aware that there's a problem is a good first step and it may end up changing your life for the better.

Human psychology entails that this thread has different effects on different people. :P You may have encouraged it more than you were trying to prevent it. Its just how the human mind works. >.>

I have a sex addiction, but atleast with that i can do it anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Tebhi

Apologies in advance for skipping a few pages of comments.

Gaming, specifically MMO addiction, is real. I first experienced this with FFXI. At one point, I was (sadly) averaging 8 hours a day, over the period of a year. The endorphin rush that you experience can be comparable to 'drugs.' Thankfully, I was able years ago to control this addiction (for now). I personally had to quit MMOs for a while. I still play MMOs and enjoy the exhilaration and reward that they bring, but I've got other things in my life now to balance things out.

I'm currently addicted to exercise (I like to call it my hobby..), I usually hit the gym 10+ hours a week. I can live with this addiction since it's benefited my health and it's nice having a 'beach body.' Still, it can be difficult to keep things under control. I think a lot of this has to do with my personality.

Anyhow, I'm not saying that just because people play MMOs a lot that they're addicted; it has a lot to do with who you are and your life circumstances. If you do play a lot, you might want to consider that you may have an addiction; being aware that there's a problem is a good first step and it may end up changing your life for the better.

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I've lost relatives and friends to addiction. While I may not have a degree related to the study of addiction, I do know a fair bit about it, as I've dealt with their addictions and my peronsal addictions. I know what addiction is, I was a heavy smoker for 9 years and I quit smoking 4 months ago. As far as gaming goes, I am an addict, for whatever reason I use gaming to escape whatever issues I have that I don't want to deal with. It is hard for me to go a long time without gaming, but it is significantly easier to stop as apposed to drugs/liquor/nicotine as there is no physical withdrawl symptoms. To say that gaming can't be an addiction is to say that gambling can't be an addiction. Just because there is not enough evidence due to lack of research does not mean that it can't be an actual problem.

Ravani it's cute how you think you're intelligent, but really you're not :P

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Originally Posted by Frebaut

I have a sex addiction, but atleast with that i can do it anywhere.

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O_O thats hot.

Perhaps it's time for a lock on this thread.

Nobody said videogames can't be an addiction. But it's wrong say if you videogame then you're pretty much an addict

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Originally Posted by Leowilde

Perhaps it's time for a lock on this thread.

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absolutely

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Nobody said videogames can't be an addiction. But it's wrong say if you videogame then you're pretty much an addict

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Nobody is saying that.. stop putting words in my mouth

Tehbi you are just an addict in general and Video games was your choice drug and now it is exercise, but not everyone follows those guidelines and people have different standards on what they would consider an addiction.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Tehbi you are just an addict in general and Video games was your choice drug and now it is exercise, but not everyone follows those guidelines and people have different standards on what they would consider an addiction.

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–noun
the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Nobody is saying that.. stop putting words in my mouth

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Sorry.
But again, the intent is lodable, but it's kinda pointless adverting the dangers of mmorpgs on a mmorpg site, where all the users play it. If there's a real addict here, he'll just ignore you since he have a dependence (and first step is denial...we are all addict in this topic D: )