Lagg upon lagg upon lagg

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Originally Posted by Conkers

Sorry but these are excuses, decent MMOs have separate European and NA data centres because that provides better performance - less hops, less hubs to go through, less lag spikes (and smaller lag spikes) and less packet loss, that an MMO asking for a sub does not have separate data centres is a joke.

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You ever hear of FFXI? That game has been running for 11 years. It has one data center for the whole planet. Game plays fine.
What you claimed are excuses are the realities of the internet.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

You ever hear of FFXI? That game has been running for 11 years. It has one data center for the whole planet. Game plays fine.
What you claimed are excuses are the realities of the internet.

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Judging from Google results it does not play fine, the reality is basic physics and networking mean localised data centres give better performance, which is why many games go to the expense of having separate data centres, your excuses don't alter that fact.

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Originally Posted by Billzey

It is true for everyone...? I'm not sure what your point is. The entire server shouldn't have to suffer because of crappy servers.

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not true for me.....i play on a NA server and im UK based.......my ping never goes above 60 unless im downloading

and how do i check the hops it takes?

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ping 199.91.189.41 -n 20

Pinging 199.91.189.41 with 32 bytes of data:

Ping statistics for 199.91.189.41:
    Packets: Sent = 20, Received = 20, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 118ms, Maximum = 131ms, Average = 122ms

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was forced to remove part of the ping text cause of forum limitation

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Originally Posted by Conkers

Sorry but these are excuses, decent MMOs have separate European and NA data centres because that provides better performance - less hops, less hubs to go through, less lag spikes (and smaller lag spikes) and less packet loss, that an MMO asking for a sub does not have separate data centres is a joke.

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Shorter distance doesn't automatically mean fewer hops, or better performance from said hops or the cabling used between them. People need to think twice before stating things like this.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

You ever hear of FFXI? That game has been running for 11 years. It has one data center for the whole planet. Game plays fine.
What you claimed are excuses are the realities of the internet.

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Why is it that there are always people on these forums that do nothing but try to defend the poor state the servers are in? You'd have to be blind to not see the constant stuttering the servers are experiencing. I can't speak for other servers, but Odin lags like a <expletive> every night. EVERY. NIGHT. Doesn't matter what day, from monday to sunday, constant lag spikes during EU primetime well into the night. So why do you people feel the need to belittle the problem, or have the audacity to suggest that the problem is on the user's end, when it's pretty clear it's not. Most MMOs use regional servers for a good reason, it's not some crazy new invention.

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Originally Posted by Rillifane

Shorter distance doesn't automatically mean fewer hops, or better performance from said hops or the cabling used between them. People need to think twice before stating things like this.

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Perhaps you should think twice... Does it for example mean more hops / better performance in all cases no, but on average it does, which is why companies go to the expense of separate data centres.

tracert 199.91.189.41

Tracing route to 199.91.189.41 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms
2 <1 ms 1 ms 1 ms A182-gw.blg-cr2.bahnhof.net [85.24.152.76]
3 6 ms 5 ms 5 ms blg-cr2.ore-cr1.bahnhof.net [46.59.112.74]
4 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms ore-cr1.sto-cr3.bahnhof.net [85.24.151.196]
5 5 ms 5 ms 6 ms sto-cr3.sto-cr1.bahnhof.net [46.59.112.51]
6 102 ms 207 ms 203 ms sto-cr1.sto-ste-ar1.bahnhof.net [46.59.112.105]

second part of tracer


7 10 ms 10 ms 9 ms te0-7-0-9.ccr21.sto01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.
168.141]
8 9 ms 9 ms 10 ms te0-7-0-27.ccr21.sto03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.5
4.77.130]
9 31 ms * 27 ms te0-1-0-3.ccr41.ham01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.11
7.51.54]
10 39 ms 41 ms 38 ms be2186.ccr21.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.74
.121]
11 44 ms 49 ms 45 ms te0-3-0-0.mpd21.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [130.11
7.2.81]
12 54 ms 51 ms 57 ms te0-0-0-0.ccr21.lpl01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.11
7.0.162]
13 119 ms 118 ms * te0-2-0-1.ccr21.ymq02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.87.62]
14 126 ms 126 ms 126 ms 38.122.42.34
15 122 ms 119 ms 122 ms 10.2.2.1
16 118 ms 117 ms 122 ms 192.34.76.2
17 118 ms 118 ms 118 ms 199.91.189.234
18 123 ms 124 ms 126 ms 199.91.189.41

Trace complete.

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Originally Posted by Conkers

Perhaps you should think twice... Does it for example mean more hops in all cases no, but on average it does, which is why companies go to the expense of separate data centres.

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Again you need to think again, based on how the ISPs decide to handle the data and how the routers themselves have been programmed, which routers are currently up/down, the latency of the cables at a given time of day CAN cause you to be sent through more hops and this happens on a regular basis.