PSA: Taunt

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Originally Posted by Dorin

Exactly.

What this means is basically that a good tank will never have this problem because he will manage to hold aggro properly.

Thus, the fact that the OP started this thread indicates that he isn't precisely a good one.

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Trouble with this is, way too often I see healers and DPS spamming their abilities as soon as touch the mob. As a tank it takes me at least 2 skills to hold aggro properly. If I have that buffer, I will not loose aggro. but if the healer spam stoneskin or heals and the dps just jump on the target immediately, they will take aggro.

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Originally Posted by Bouteiller

It amuses me how DPS, at the very suggestion of watching their threat levels, get angry. As if doing anything beyond their rotation is an affront. There are loads of great, and aware, DPS. There are also loads of worthless facerollers. It's all a fun learning experience. I suggest running with a healer friend that is open to letting annoying dps die for their incompetence.

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The only time I pull hate is when the tank is lousy or dead. I watch my threat lvl. I'm sure many do. Quit lumping all DPS together, please. There are good and bad players of all roles.

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Originally Posted by Jayrune

However, as a healer, if you pull hate via heals, it's the tanks fault, no exceptions

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If i spam Medica II on Titan i'll pull hate before/on the first jump through no fault of the tank.

Regen ticks will pull the two mobs the tank didn't Shield lob on the pull, spamming cure II three seconds into the fight could pull it to.

It's not always the tanks fault if the healers not paying attention :p

I've never ran into a scenario where I've pulled a mob off a tank's first target unless they weren't playing correctly or I just got a lucky string of procs. (Firestarter + 3 Thundersparks in a row) Even if tanks don't mark their mobs I'll usually try to throw in a weak AoE attack after seeing a Flash so that I can see all the HPs of the mob party widget and make sure I'm DPSing the correct one.

Medica 2 will pull agro if you spam regardless of how much hate you let the tank get ahead on, just use it once and then medica 1

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

The only time I pull hate is when the tank is lousy or dead. I watch my threat lvl. I'm sure many do. Quit lumping all DPS together, please. There are good and bad players of all roles.

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Or you could, I don't know, read.

I see two groups of DPS I mentioned, because there are great DPS.

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Originally Posted by Rymia

Regen ticks will pull the two mobs the tank didn't Shield lob on the pull, spamming cure II three seconds into the fight could pull it to.

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Had this happen quite a few times in The Stone Vigil. Not fun.

And to be honest, I think I'm a pretty good tank. I'm not talking about simply losing aggro through negligence; I do pay attention and hold threat on all targets needed as best I can - especially to keep threat off healers, but I pay attention to DPS' aggro too. What I'm griping about is DPS who attack out of order or unload everything they've got 3 milliseconds into the fight and then expect me to be able to keep things from killing them.

@Bouteiller

I did read that part, and yes, I apologize for not acknowledging that you mentioned that. But the first sentence said "It amuses me how DPS, at the very suggestion of watching their threat levels, get angry. As if doing anything beyond their rotation is an affront.". That was what I was referring to. Maybe it was not your intention to word it in a way that sounded like a blanket statement. Idk, I just always see hate for DPS, and it ticks me off when all DPS are grouped together. Again, I am sorry if that was not your intended point.

I can't really say I've had much of a problem holding threat as a PLD. There's the occasional problem with well-geared BRDs, as they like to start unloading the moment I start moving toward the boss. Other than that, though, I can't really complain. One good FB > SB > RoH combo and the boss is mine for good.

I always open with 2-3 Flashes before I start my combo. Maybe try that.

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

Idk, I just always see hate for DPS, and it ticks me off when all DPS are grouped together.

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The problem is that so damned many of you are like that. I admit fault in lumping you all together, and have amended my OP to respect that.

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Originally Posted by Raxion

I always open with 2-3 Flashes before I start my combo.

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So do I. It doesn't always work.