PSA: Taunt

[Livilda]

Edited:
Dear DPS,

If you think tanks in this game have god-mode threat generation, you are spoiled.
World of Warcraft gave you a nice little cushion of 110% threat before aggro, and Taunt ensured a few seconds of the mob only attacking the tank.

Here, there is no such thing. Provoke puts my threat one point higher than the highest player. And nothing else. If I Provoke a mob off you and you're still unloading into it, not a Twelve-damned thing is going to happen except you getting your skull bashed in.

Moreover, all our threat-generating abilities are either A) weak, or B) second or third in a combo that starts with a non-threat ability. If you want to try to unload everything you've got on something I'm not focused on, scream for Provoke, pull it instantly back away from me, and tell me I'm not doing my job, you can go shove your face in a Ziz's behind.

If you're attacking what I'm focusing on, you will not pull hate off me. In fact, I dare you to try. If I'm not focusing it . . . well, I still dare you to try, but don't expect me to let the other DPS or the healers pull aggro on the target you're supposed to be attacking just to save your sorry behind.

That is all.

And if a DPS has to stop DPSing and not do his full potential damage because a PLD can't hold aggro on a single target boss, how is that called?

Been there lots of times. On the same boss, some PLD can perfectly keep my threat indicator green or max. yellow for the whole fight while I unleash hell on the boss, while with others I'm struggling to not get aggro on me, so I need to constantly stop DPSing.

Don't always blame the DPS.

I can single-target all day, nobody has ever pulled a target I was focusing off me as long as I was staying on that target. 3 or 4 Flashes get some good initial aggro, and I'll check from time to time and toss a Savage Blade or Rage of Halone to keep them off the healer, but now and again I'll get some DPS that thinks it's cool to attack out of order. They soon learn otherwise.

I suggest running with a healer friend that is open to letting annoying dps die for their incompetence.

These days I'm pretty much making it a point to talk about this with the healer, all the healers I know already know my preference on this. >:3

[Moheeheeko]

Tl;Dr someone grouped with people not from their fc and had bad times, details at 11.

[coffeepotz]

Dear DPS,

You are spoiled.

Possibly the most blanketed statement I've seen.

[Dorin]

And if a DPS has to stop DPSing and not do his full potential damage because a PLD can't hold aggro on a single target boss, how is that called?

Been there lots of times. On the same boss, some PLD can perfectly keep my threat indicator green or max. yellow for the whole fight while I unleash hell on the boss, while with others I'm struggling to not get aggro on me, so I need to constantly stop DPSing.

Don't always blame the DPS.

[Youmu]

Spam flash scrub. Good tanks build agro on targets even when they're not being focused.

[Bouteiller]

It amuses me how DPS, at the very suggestion of watching their threat levels, get angry. As if doing anything beyond their rotation is an affront. There are loads of great, and aware, DPS. There are also loads of worthless facerollers. It's all a fun learning experience. I suggest running with a healer friend that is open to letting annoying dps die for their incompetence.

[Dorin]

It's always the DPS's fault, always.

[Myrdyn_Wyldt]

When I play THM, I tell the tank he's got 2.5 seconds to build an aggro lead, but then again, I only play THM with the FC, and trolling in mumble is considered a group sport

[Jayrune]

Speaking as a tank, a tank doing sub-par threat is the tanks fault, but it is not an excuse to pull hate as a DPS. If you get stuck with a sub-par tank and have to stop dps-ing to not pull hate, congratulations you are doing it right and are a credit to your party, hope you get a better tank next run so you can really shine. If you pull hate, you just rolled the dice on your survival and possibly others, don't do that. (if your tank is a glad sub lvl 26, be warned, their threat generation is gonna be on the low side even when reasonably geared)

However, as a healer, if you pull hate via heals, it's the tanks fault, no exceptions. If you manage to pull hate via damage i wanna know what food buffs you're using O.o

Edit: some exceptions were pointed out :O

If i spam Medica II on Titan i'll pull hate before/on the first jump through no fault of the tank.

Regen ticks will pull the two mobs the tank didn't Shield lob on the pull, spamming cure II three seconds into the fight could pull it to.

It's not always the tanks fault if the healers not paying attention

[Dorin]

Speaking as a tank, a tank doing sub-par threat is the tanks fault, but it is not an excuse to pull hate as a DPS. If you get stuck with a sub-par tank and have to stop dps-ing to not pull hate, congratulations you are doing it right and are a credit to your party, hope you get a better tank next run so you can really shine. If you pull hate, you just rolled the dice on your survival and possibly others, don't do that. (if your tank is a glad sub lvl 26, be warned, their threat generation is gonna be on the low side even when reasonably geared)

However, as a healer, if you pull hate via heals, it's the tanks fault, no exceptions. If you manage to pull hate via damage i wanna know what food buffs you're using O.o

Exactly.

What this means is basically that a good tank will never have this problem because he will manage to hold aggro properly.

Thus, the fact that the OP started this thread indicates that he isn't precisely a good one.