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Thanks for the follow up Belial for those that wern't aware.

( Good luck!)

I am currently Rank 26 Phys 25 I believe. I have my Dex at 50 and rest of my points in Str and Vit evenly. I have 4 acc rings though and I can hit most things decently beside super evasive things like Mites. But with Invigorate and Feint I don't really have any problems since I can just Invigorate to make sure I always have tp for Feint when I do miss. Also Life Surge is amazing for the evasion down it gives.

Then if I am in a party and can't get the extra tp from taking damage it means I am not tanking so I can just stand behind mobs and have even better accuracy.

I still don't feel stats doing much though for me. The only stat I really like is Vit since I can actually see it doing something for me in the way of extra hp. Which I so badly need. My archer friend is 1 rank below me and 1 level and has 10 less Vit and only has 40 or so hp less then me. But I guess that is kinda off-topic and for another thread at another time.

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Originally Posted by Ralos

I appreciate the comments and suggestions from everyone, they are helping to me to make my own guideline for how I want to play.
I made this thread seeking help and for a little discussion on the different ways in which Lancer's may alot their points depending on how they want to play; that being said, there is no need for anyone to be rude or argue.

Belial and MHB3000, thank you for posting your different findings and preferred stat builds. Both have been informative but we must remember the game is still going through some major development and is constantly changing, information does not remain stagnant as well as the fact that some people find ways of playing which are outside the box or more enjoyable for their personal selves.

Again, thanks guys, I really do appreciate it, but lighten up. Don't be so quick to point out someone's "ignorance" based on information which is out dated by only a short period of time, or on an opinion of gameplay which may differ from your own.

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And that's why I posted that link for yourself, as it's the most up-to-date for the current game state, although like you said, and it's something I myself have been saying for a long time, stats will likely be corrected with the battle changes implemented this Spring, so keep an eye out for new information a bit after that patch drops.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Extensive Testing

That link is for yourself since I have not the time nor patience to put that into words here. Please take the time to research before calling someone ignorant. And certainly don't reference a dev team post from 2010 as your proof.

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The Dex test was done TWICE, once on an ARC and another one on a GLA. Archers accuracy did not change with higher dex, but the accuracy of the Gladiator was higher.
You have to test all the stats with all the classes, or there are no "facts".

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Originally Posted by Budi

The Dex test was done TWICE, once on an ARC and another one on a GLA. Archers accuracy did not change with higher dex, but the accuracy of the Gladiator was higher.
You have to test all the stats with all the classes, or there are no "facts".

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That's only one resource dude, I'm not doing the legwork for you to find parses and testing done by the community, that's up to you. I know I'm right, whether or not you feel so makes no difference to me.

Also, what exactly makes stats magically react differently when switching classes? Sure, they'll have different soft & hard caps, but that doesn't mean they function properly.

Well I trust my source of testing more than anyone else (because I saw the results for myself). I just dont want people to talk complete ***. I mean you can FEEL the difference in misses with low and high dexterity.

Didn't you say yourself that the stats are broken? So why does it surprise you that some stats work differently on other classes?

The real problem is that (all) stats are useless because their effect is too low compared to the effect your rank has in regards to Damage/Defense/Accuracy/etc. Thats why the 'only" usefull stat is Vitality.

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Well I trust my source of testing more than anyone else (because I saw the results for myself). I just dont want people to talk complete ***. I mean you can FEEL the difference in misses with low and high dexterity.

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Feeling is moot, unless their are some solid numbers you can link to, it means nothing. Visual observation is no substitute for solid mathemathics.

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Didn't you say yourself that the stats are broken? So why does it surprise you that some stats work differently on other classes?.

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That would mean they were using different equations & coding for each class, which is completely ridiculous and makes no sense. It only makes sense if you separate them via category (Battle Classes, Gathering Classes & Crafting Classes).

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The real problem is that (all) stats are useless because their effect is too low compared to the effect your rank has in regards to Damage/Defense/Accuracy/etc. Thats why the 'only" usefull stat is Vitality.

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But that's not true, as other stats have been tested to show their worth (see previous link). The only time all stats are totally useless than any testing has found has been in relation to gear. Again, I've provided information about my opinion, and can certainly link several more sources. I'm certainly more than willing to go over any valid evidence you have, any parse results, etc., but if you can't provide those your arguement means nothing.

Jeeze.. no one proved me wrong.. I stopped posting because the OP said to stop feuding on stupid shit. according to Belial's link, someone who would want to take "parse" data will have to use an illegal third party program to collect the data. I also stopped caring to post because, Belial said himself that he would take this parse data with no regards to MOBs weaknesses or types.. which proves that this data is flawed anyway.. Also.. if information on lodestone was actually outdated or false.. it would have been removed or updated, regardless of developer changes. In a month it will be june, I challenge you Ariadne to train yourself with a real bow and arrow.. and try to shoot a firefly.. I bet you that you'll miss.. probably because your stats are broken

Damn youre defending belial .... i see what your doing this is a conspiracy lololololol

I simply point out that belial advance solid data and equation that ..... he have not. Its easy to play the smart kids with that kind of speach but make sure you got the fact to back up youre stuff. BTW MHB 3000 is just as wrong as you and belial, i just dont like kids that playing it smarter than they are. Anybody that go trough the effort of collecting solid data for increasing his power will not be willing to share its knowledge for spoonfeeding some lazy kidz