Learning to be Patient with SE Dev Communication.

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Originally Posted by Valarian

I thought maybe I could convince one or two people...

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If you can do that, then you're better than I.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

SE is more transparent and more forthcoming with information now then most developers once their game is 6 months in.

Some games like Korean localizations never get contact from devs.

We should be thankful.

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Quoted for fu*kin' truth.

Blade & Soul, anyone? They're going into Korean Closed Beta Test this month, and they haven't even once considered tapping anyone outside Korea for western feedback - it's obvious B&S plans on going for an NA launch, but they are decidedly using closed-loop development processes that fails to take in proper feedback for their target audiences.

It's this kind of mentality that gets me riled up about asian game developers.

When we're seeing more transparency from Square Enix, I'm able to cut them some slack.

Also, as a response to Jamel-Ibref's statement about patch notes being released months in advance before it is implemented, this is due to the Korean and NA development teams being separated. Koreans get the patches first, and then it has to be localized and adjusted to work for the NA servers. Hence why the patch notes are released so early.

Surely this would have been obvious?

I've been a customer of Perfect World Entertainment for about two years. They don't have the kind of communication Square Enix is providing to it's customers. It is thrilling for Square Enix to give us information and hope for new things to come. It has helped make me a loyal customer to Square Enix. ^_^

I'm not used to see this kind of thing in any of the Chinese/Korean online games I play.

Most people on here are just like this girl

http://img811.imageshack.us/i/74934465.jpg/

I think people just want a carrot - something solid to look forward to. But we don't know if it even is a carrot. Or an orange. Or a dried up old prune.

They're being very vague about everything, which to a point is understandable, but the whole patience thing is wearing thin after seven months of waiting.

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

Still think a ROUGH timeline would be very helpful and appreciated by the fans.

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You obviously haven't been around the forums of games the developers of which were so unprofessional as to give the "rough timeline" you demand (bad, bad error in game development) and were eaten alive when such timeline happened to slip (because in development timelines slip a lot, and often).

It's simply a no no for any dev worth his salt. You simply don't promise stuff that isn't finalyzed, and considering how much wrong can be found during testing, timelines are the last thing that get finalyzed.

It's funny how some have such immense troubles in understanding this very, very simple concept.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You obviously haven't been around the forums of games the developers of which were so unprofessional as to give the "rough timeline" you demand (bad, bad error in game development) and were eaten alive when such timeline happened to slip (because in development timelines slip a lot, and often).

It's simply a no no for any dev worth his salt. You simply don't promise stuff that isn't finalyzed, and considering how much wrong can be found during testing, timelines are the last thing that get finalyzed.

It's funny how some have such immense troubles in understanding this very, very simple concept.

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Appreciate the condescending tone!

They were off to a good start with those large tables in the first few dev letters. Would like to see updated versions of those.

Or were those unprofessional as well?

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

Appreciate the condescending tone!

They were off to a good start with those large tables in the first few dev letters. Would like to see updated versions of those.

Or were those unprofessional as well?

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[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.] I would like to see a new table like the ones from the first letter since Yoshi-P said those were his 2-3 month goals and it's been about 2-3 months since we got the updated table.

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

Appreciate the condescending tone!

They were off to a good start with those large tables in the first few dev letters. Would like to see updated versions of those.

Or were those unprofessional as well?

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If you mean the ones in november, you saw the results of those table. The plans changed, and people continue to flame them over and over because they did. This is exactly the result of giving "rough timeframes" and long-term information that wasn't yet finalyzed out of panic for a bad release.

On the other hand, if you mean the tables Yoshida had in his letters, those are obsolete now. The "in development" forum has exactly the same contents.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

Don't bother with any of the people who are like Abriael, they just act like jerks to stir up drama.

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so funny to see how some stubbornly refuse to hear some realism.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

On the other hand, if you mean the tables Yoshida had in his letters, those are obsolete now. The "in development" forum has exactly the same contents.

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The tables were easier to read and all the information was nicely compiled instead of hiding behind individual threads, so I don't think they are obsolete. I hope Yoshida keeps posting them, after 1.18 would be a good time for another.