Please add lottery spawn NMs in the future ^^

I'm down for some lottery respawns. Its funny how some people will argue to death how we should compromise but when you give them an idea they don't like they will shoot it down. TC I agree, the reason NMs are charming and awesome in FFXI is because there's an off chance you might run into one by accident and your adrenaline shoots through the roof hoping to claim, kill and get the drop. People are enjoying these NMs now but in reality they'll eventually become useless and just as "boring" as the lotto respawn ones in FFXI for those against this. I don't mind the new NMs, they're cool and accessible, but what's wrong with a little of both and don't do it if you don't like it/have time.

Zen.. would you call someone a casual player as someong who can play 20 hr a day 7 days a week. I just get bored of waiting mostly ADD does that sometimes. I do like the rish of claiming it though. But i was never a big nm hunter. Only if I hunted with my ex because I loved spebding time in game with him :3 that and he is lucky >.> 3/3 on VE before he missed once. he only hyunted it with me for my main and rerolls.

I just want a fun game though. :3 I used to play casually, not anymore.
In the end fun is the only thing that matters.

PS thanks for the pleasent distraction. I made the mistake of watching clannad after story which kinda made me cry non stop for 12 hrs, with the addition of finding out my ex (so i still love deeply) work just got as my mom put it... "mowed down by a tornado" and i haven seem him on the 360. So lil sensitive atm worring if he ok.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

PS thanks for the pleasent distraction. I made the mistake of watching clannad after story which kinda made me cry non stop for 12 hrs, with the addition of finding out my ex (so i still love deeply) work just got as my mom put it... "mowed down by a tornado" and i haven seem him on the 360. So lil sensitive atm worring if he ok.

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Sorry for your possible loss, by no one cares about your personal life...If you want to complain about your problems, make a facebook page.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Zen.. would you call someone a casual player as someong who can play 20 hr a day 7 days a week. I just get bored of waiting mostly ADD does that sometimes. I do like the rish of claiming it though. But i was never a big nm hunter. Only if I hunted with my ex because I loved spebding time in game with him :3 that and he is lucky >.> 3/3 on VE before he missed once. he only hyunted it with me for my main and rerolls.

I just want a fun game though. :3 I used to play casually, not anymore.
In the end fun is the only thing that matters.

PS thanks for the pleasent distraction. I made the mistake of watching clannad after story which kinda made me cry non stop for 12 hrs, with the addition of finding out my ex (so i still love deeply) work just got as my mom put it... "mowed down by a tornado" and i haven seem him on the 360. So lil sensitive atm worring if he ok.

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if you don't even like NM why do you care if they random or not o.o you dislike eveything that can help both casual and hardcore. Sadly no one even see your point of view anymore. Most ppl even have you on your blocklist, i'm trying to help you out here but you making it really hard. This is not your game you don't even play the game to know the problem. i play from beta1 to release and i understand and really care for the game.

Time sink you need it in every game, you know how long it took me to get a pet in wow? 5hours because it did not drop. So why can't ffxiv have this? even rift took me hours to get 12 last time seeing how i try it out for 3days they giving it for free for the weekend. so if wow and rift is casual then ffxiv is below casual. you need to understand other point of view and stop disliking everyone else.

If it's called lottery spawn it have to be random you can't make it so it pop every 30-1hour that not very random is it? If a NM is 4hours and it's a lotto Spawn and the window is every 30 or 1hour you only have to be on your pc for that 1sec before it hit 30min or 1hour every time. meaning you could be crafting, doing others thing then teleport and run back there before it hit 1hour. So your idea saying you have to sit there for hours is wrong.

Only NM with PH you have to sit there for hours and even them are fun like hell you could make them Pop at random and take some time so even casual can do it.

so please for the love of god stop using FFXI as your point of view because they can make it so even you can do them

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

You're assuming they would be exactly the same as FFXI. If you had to kill placeholders for 30 minutes, but the drop rate was better than the always up NMs, wouldn't that system be a happy medium?

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Nope. Competition and overcamping on a 30 minutes mob would still turn the actual average wait into much longer than 30 minutes -> Timesink.

No thanks. Give us more *challenging* content when the time is right and the battle system is in place, instead of more content that requires us to wait and grind.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Time sink you need it in every game

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Sorry but no. The fact that many developers use timesinks in order to hide lack of content in their game, or dilute the enjoyment of the current content through time (effectively reducing the fun as boredom ensues) doesn't mean that timesinks are "needed" beyond the basic leveling curve (and even that shouldn't be a timesink, as the developer can and should turn it into an enjoyable and varied experience, instead of mindless grinding).

In every game you need content that makes you SPEND time in it, but it's not in any way needed to make you WASTE time by forcing you to undergo tedious and repeatitive tasks or even worse, just waiting.

Between SPENDING time (having fun) and WASTING time there's a whole world of difference. I'm always quite surprised by seeing that there are some that would advocate for the second option.

I kind of like whats we currently have, I'm still hopeful that the majority of NM's will be instance/dungeon based tho.

I honestly can't believe people aren't cool with just challenging content... regardless on how it's delivered. You're saying a lottery spawn system is wanted, but it's not... it hasn't been wanted for a very long time in ANY MMO. You're not getting it, deal with it or go somewhere else (don't bother with XI either, they realized how epic fail lottery spawns were and completely moved away from them.)

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Nope. Competition and overcamping on a 30 minutes mob would still turn the actual average wait into much longer than 30 minutes -> Timesink.

No thanks. Give us more *challenging* content when the time is right and the battle system is in place, instead of more content that requires us to wait and grind.



Sorry but no. The fact that many developers use timesinks in order to hide lack of content in their game, or dilute the enjoyment of the current content through time (effectively reducing the fun as boredom ensues) doesn't mean that timesinks are "needed" beyond the basic leveling curve (and even that shouldn't be a timesink, as the developer can and should turn it into an enjoyable and varied experience, instead of mindless grinding).

In every game you need content that makes you SPEND time in it, but it's not in any way needed to make you WASTE time by forcing you to undergo tedious and repeatitive tasks or even worse, just waiting.

Between SPENDING time (having fun) and WASTING time there's a whole world of difference. I'm always quite surprised by seeing that there are some that would advocate for the second option.

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You have good views but your wrong. If it took you 1day to get done with a full EXP like COP then SE have to come up with 1pack per day to make you happy. Sorry but like i post somewhere else it's not how much time you take in a game that make the game casual or hardcore it how you use it. Am sorry but if it take me 1month to get max level and get everything everyone have then i do the endgame events and get everything what else is there to do?

Like i said on other topic, If i play 4hours over someone that play 10hours but i have 70+% what he does. Should he be mad at me? no it just mean i use my time right and found a better way at doing it then him. Even FFXI it took me 2years to get 75. Took my gf 1year to get "RDM,WHM,BLM,BRD,THF,DRG,SCH 66COR 67SMN 64SAM 49DRK. and pretty much everything 40 down on every other job. So it show you even a person who players hours and took longer to get something and call themself hardcore someone else can come and get it in half the time.

Even COP most players take months and it took me less then 1month why? because me and my gf took 4 other players set a time got everything we needed and took the time to understand the fights. everything else is luck. So even something like COP that took hours to do can be cut down by someone who smart and have less time to play. Reason there a timesinks at least for me is so you don't get everything done in 1day then your bored out of your mind. Even tho some players find a way to get it down half the time at least the big % wont and they would see other with it done and they be like wow i got to try harder.

I'm sorry but if i log in a game and win a MMO and get about 80% in the game within 3month am going to be bored and find something else. Even WoW and rift have timesinks getting 20 in ffxiv took me 1leve reset with the new Sp system. In rift took me hours just to get 12 and that doing anything you can to get EXP. even WoW with full boa you wont get 20 that quick.

you have a point but at the end we need time sink and even a mob that have a random pop time could be easy done.NM window 3hours window is every 30mins. Oh look i can craft pick few items i have about 25mins then 5mins to get there if it take longer to get there i use less time on what am doing now.

It does not have to be something like 24hours pop but at least have a bigger timer then 3-5min and 1hour that just a joke not even WoW rare mobs are that quick. even a NM that is 24 hours a casual can get it. oh look it die at 6pm i be on at 5 and can play too 8pm and it would pop right at 6pm he goes and get it. guess what? hardcore players would bi?? right? why should they that what i don't get it's not how much time you play = casual or hardcore is how you play. i had players who play 4hours a day and are higher level them me.

So at the end there no such thing as Timesink is how SE feed you the informaion ffxi was only hard becuase you have to know what to do. once you knew how to get 75 you got 75 less then 1month. Once you knew how to get a NM it took you less then that of someone. If you know the TOD you got it right on it and someone would bi?? at you becuase they been there for 15hours oh am sorry ; ; that i have tod and you don't so at the end if SE feed you some info the time sink is cut by more then 50%.

I play ffxi because of my friend it took him 1year before i got the game to get 75. It took me less to get half of what he had. Then one of my friend join took him even less to get what i had. His brother join and he took even less what it too us. My gf join and she took even less then all of us and got everything we have and more. So at the end is Skills and knowledge the time sink is there to stop you from getting everything before they come up with a new update so that part you have right. is not about casual or hardcore it's how you play and use your time you have. but PH NM are fun and i enjoy them very much and they could be very casual. Even in wow a game is hard when you first start then it become so easy you can get max level quick that is the point you need that time sink in the start so you can enjoy what you have. then everything else that was hard look very casual now does it?

FFXI: you need to do the limit break each 5 level then win maat then you level up other class you got it 75 in less then 1month because there noting stoping you and you know where to go. even if you can't find a party you learn how to solo.



i think i went offtopic on few part but i hope you understand that even casual can play a game that take time it just how you use your time that is all. I just hope everyone can understand that time does not = what you are or how hard a game is.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Sorry for your possible loss, by no one cares about your personal life...If you want to complain about your problems, make a facebook page.

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I wan't complaining more thanking people. for a pleasent debate. Do you really need to be this critical and proof read every post and make a complaint about 1 line of text?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I wan't complaining more thanking people. for a pleasent debate. Do you really need to be this critical and proof read every post and make a complaint about 1 line of text?

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Welcome to the internet, just how you can dislike everything that is not to you liking:cool: and not even try to agree that it could help both casual and hardcore even players that play 15hours could be casual i know for one i play hours at end and don't get as much as done as a person who have 4hours. that because i waste my time doing other things while playing. Anyways i don't agree too what he say but then again i don't agree to what you saying now so at least try and not replay to stuff like that it just going tostart a endless war and at the end you be the one looking bad, seeing how many on here not even liking you that much.

Try and put your words together better i know for one i say things and then i have to explain it in 20post because i just suck at saying what i really trying to say.