RMT, STF and GMs (again, probably) [Rep response please, polite thread]

best part is every single account is going to get legacy status :)

Believe me when I say, SE is well aware of the damage that RMTs can cause. They almost destroyed FFXI before SE saw thw light and clamped down, hard, on them. The problem here was one of priorities. SE needed to focus on, not only correcting the problems with Ver 1.0 but also develope ARR from the ground up. The vast majority of their alloted resources where devoted to these areas, as it should have been. If the past is any indication these problems will be addressed.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Move on with your life.

They're not affecting anyone else's gameplay. SE has to abide by they're own rules, and if they're not breaking the Terms of Service, then there isn't much SE can do accept keep an eye on them. Until they start with tells advertising their Web site there's no bannable offense here.

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But aren't they using third party software to automate the characters into accepting the quests and what-have-you? I'm sure that's against the ToS, right?

Then again, I have never done botting or RMT, so I don't know what I'm talking about. But for one character to be doing the work of many, I'd say there were some shenanigans going on.

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Originally Posted by Tahldon

But aren't they using third party software to automate the characters into accepting the quests and what-have-you? I'm sure that's against the ToS, right?

Then again, I have never done botting or RMT, so I don't know what I'm talking about. But for one character to be doing the work of many, I'd say there were some shenanigans going on.

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Ultimately SE reserved the right to ban someone for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

But it's in their best interest to play the good cop and do things by the books. That said, there's no way for SE to know if they're using a third-party program unless it affects in-game movement.

So far all they do is /follow each other.

The problem are the idiots who buy gil.

I mean in both xi and xiv gil is easy as hell to get and buying gil gives new meaning to being a lazy gamer. Even if you want to buy your double melds for your relics you can earn the gil in a few days if your determined.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Move on with your life.

They're not affecting anyone else's gameplay. SE has to abide by they're own rules, and if they're not breaking the Terms of Service, then there isn't much SE can do accept keep an eye on them. Until they start with tells advertising their Web site there's no bannable offense here.

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With so many of these drecks on the screen moving about or just standing there, they cause my game to free and crash. So yes they do affect gameplay for the time being.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

The problem are the idiots who buy gil.

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This. I mean we can try to ban RMT all we (SE, obviously, not us in particular) want, but the fact is and I've said this before that there is real money trading going on for EVERY online MMO out there and no game has been successful in eliminating it completely, so we're just going to have to accept RMT as a reality and move on with our lives.

The real answer to eliminating RMT is for people to stop buying the damn gil! Supply and demand works if there is a demand for the supply... and the chances of that happening are again slim to none.

So the chances of banning "all" RMT are slim to none.
And the chances of people just randomly up and deciding "Hey, I'm doing something dumb by buying gil" are slim to none

Therefor, conclusion?

Move on with your life.

What you need to do is, everyone goes out to Cedarwood and calls the GM saying that there are so many people standing around the Atherite when you try to do anything your game locks up and crashes.

Otherwise you could technically just bombard the Atherite with so many people you can cause the area to crash. If the Gil Sellers aren't present at their computers they won't log back in at least right away.

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Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos

best part is every single account is going to get legacy status :)

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Originally Posted by Mijin

You know, trying to get SE to get rid of gold sellers is like asking a doctor to get rid of aids. It cant be done. If they ban they they will just keep coming back, and if they change the system to mess up their gil making schemes they will just find another way. In the end it's a waste of resources. The only way to get them to go away is if people stop buying, and that will never happen.

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So you want SE to not ban them? Regardless of whether or not they come back after being banned, it's a win/win for us and SE:

• The ocean of gil they're all swimming in gets removed from the game before it can begin circulating in the already questionable economy
• The RMT buy more copies of the game, which results in more profit for Square