Could Movement Become a Core Physical Ranged Mechanic?

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

While I'm not sure I'd want to encourage mindless movement, I do agree that movement could/should be rewarded. This was mentioned by someone else in a different thread so it's not really my idea, but for Dancer I think it could be interesting to essentially borrow the PvP buff you get from using an En Avant and maybe even have En Evant act as something of an attack on it's own. This could encourage you to actually use En Avant proactively and have to find spaces to use it instead of just potentially holding stacks of it for those times when you "need" to.

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I think this is very close to the direction I was imagining.

Rather than rewarding constant movement, movement tools like En Avant could generate Momentum that is later spent on stronger dances, buffs, or follow-up actions.

That way the goal isn't to run around constantly, but to create meaningful decisions around when and how you use your movement tools.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

I would love it if each ranged DPS would interact with movement in a unique way. Not just PRanged, all of them. I think I'd split it this way:

• PRanged: Have specific situations where movement is beneficial. Are generally unrestricted in their movement, might have skills that slow down their movement or very momentarily forbid (self-root), but never interrupt (no casts).
• Casters: Generally want to not move as some~many of their attacks interrupt as they are casts. Generally want to be at range, and will want to move to get their as some of their abilities do not work well from close range. This is a shared thing, each caster's filler/spam spell has some interaction that linearly scales with range, e.g. the closer <15y a Red Mage is, the less gauge Jolt/Verfire/etc give up to 30% less or so.

Now for the PRanged, I think I'd modify your idea somewhat:

• The Bard I'd have self-root during songs. Make those GCD, but seriously bump up the effects of the support side of them to compensate as long as you keep standing still after the initial play.
• Dancer as you have it, I like the whole idea.
• For Machinist I'd basically "invert" it? While firing filler GCDs, you can only move at half-speed, and the more you move, the more your aim becomes "unstable" (filling an unstable bar). If you cap it, your filler becomes "Steady aim" which is a GCD causing no actual attack but emptying the bar. You want to never cap it. Buff filler potency and overall potency to compensate.

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That sounds incredibly unappealing to play.

Are we trying to fundamentally change the identity of the role?

This role basically just black mage right? cause machinst does not do no wear near as much damage as black mage. I am not feeling like samurai is doing the number it should. should we just call this the black mage role

cause everyime look at dps logs black mage is always number 1 pretty much up there. just saying

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Originally Posted by Valence

That sounds incredibly unappealing to play.

Are we trying to fundamentally change the identity of the role?

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I mean yeah, because the current identity is <none>. So there's nothing to lose actually adding one. That doesn't defend my half-arsed ideas, just that I think even a bad idea is better than the status quo.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

I mean yeah, because the current identity is <none>. So there's nothing to lose actually adding one. That doesn't defend my half-arsed ideas, just that I think even a bad idea is better than the status quo.

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The current identity is being able to move freely when it comes to movement.
I strongly disagree that this role has to be homogenized even further by making it yet another role reliant on movement uptime, because i'm frankly expecting something else than just designing everything around DDR just because that's the only thing we can think about those days.
In fact the only thing I've kept seeing those past two expansions proposed by people about rphys has always been turning them into casters with walking casts (go play pvp and see how god awful those are) or some manner of trying to peg them into movement based encounter design. It's boring and uninspired.

Note that as i've said in my initial reply, I do think however that attaching job mechanics and boons/buffs/resources to some movement tools like En-Avant is an interesting idea I'd like to see explored.

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidnight

This role basically just black mage right? cause machinst does not do no wear near as much damage as black mage. I am not feeling like samurai is doing the number it should. should we just call this the black mage role

cause everyime look at dps logs black mage is always number 1 pretty much up there. just saying

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Numbers and actual statistics and logs disagree with you, but you're welcome to your (wrong) opinion of course.