Some of the Paladin changes I'll like to see in 8.0..

You simply cannot balance a tank with a raise ESPECIALLY the one that after raising can then protect 100% of the damage of the raised person

Tank invulns, then raises a healer and covers them while the healer LB3’s would become an instantly game warping strat, and that’s just LB3 cheesing, tank rezzing would allow far too much zombiying

About the only consolation I’d give is if PLD was given the eureka action sacrifice. If PLD had sacrifice (with a 3 second latency to prevent rezz cheesing) that I could see as being thematic without being unbalanced

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You simply cannot balance a tank with a raise ESPECIALLY the one that after raising can then protect 100% of the damage of the raised person

Tank invulns, then raises a healer and covers them while the healer LB3’s would become an instantly game warping strat, and that’s just LB3 cheesing, tank rezzing would allow far too much zombiying

About the only consolation I’d give is if PLD was given the eureka action sacrifice. If PLD had sacrifice (with a 3 second latency to prevent rezz cheesing) that I could see as being thematic without being unbalanced

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My idea on how to balance it, starting to cast their raise removes all mits and invulns, except tank LB. It's an 8s cast and have to hardcast it, losing about 4.5 GCDs.

I am learning Paladin still so I can't really comment much. But I agree it having raise would be nice addition.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You simply cannot balance a tank with a raise ESPECIALLY the one that after raising can then protect 100% of the damage of the raised person

Tank invulns, then raises a healer and covers them while the healer LB3’s would become an instantly game warping strat, and that’s just LB3 cheesing, tank rezzing would allow far too much zombiying

About the only consolation I’d give is if PLD was given the eureka action sacrifice. If PLD had sacrifice (with a 3 second latency to prevent rezz cheesing) that I could see as being thematic without being unbalanced

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You do know that cover doesn't actually cover against everything? You also know that you can die while covering someone even if you have invulnerability on? There's plenty of spells in this game that go beyond cover and won't save that person + their damage gets to you as well and you die even if you had invul up. It's crazy and devs know this so they would implement that cover only works for some things. Check Hade's Elegy and do cover on someone who has a yellow stack + damage stack on them. You'll both die no matter what.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

I am learning Paladin still so I can't really comment much. But I agree it having raise would be nice addition.

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You already have phoenix down, do we need more? Let them make it usable anywhere then or just by certain classes idk. What we need is that tanks get bigger dps, different defensive cooldowns from others and make them not look the same... Only a few things distinguish tanks these days.

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Originally Posted by MayuAmakura

You do know that cover doesn't actually cover against everything? You also know that you can die while covering someone even if you have invulnerability on? There's plenty of spells in this game that go beyond cover and won't save that person + their damage gets to you as well and you die even if you had invul up. It's crazy and devs know this so they would implement that cover only works for some things. Check Hade's Elegy and do cover on someone who has a yellow stack + damage stack on them. You'll both die no matter what.

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Cover works on enough things to be a major concern when you pair it with the ability to rezz

I think a Paladin raise would be cool from a lore/‘job-fantasy’ perspective, but it wouldn’t really be ‘balance-able’ from a gameplay perspective sadly. Maybe like if it was only usable during Requiescat with an unremoveable cast time of 8s and immediately dumped all of your MP thus locking you out of the main portion of your burst damage. But at that point there wouldn’t be much point in it existing anyway lol, so maybe best just go without.

Plus doesn’t Paladin / Knight usually have access to some white magics but not higher-level ones like Raise or Curaga? Having them in XIV with direct healing abilities but not like Raise/Esuna/Regen seems mostly in-keeping with how the class usually appear, I think.

...I actually miss when Paladin had Raise.

It was a cross-class skill with Conjurer, as that was the required sub-job to unlock Paladin, and we absolutely used it in the wild. It was a lost ability when Stormblood revamped jobs and removed cross-classing skills and replaced it with the current, and admittedly better, role skills.

Access to Cure was replaced with Clemency, and Protect was just deleted from the game entirely.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Tanks with a rez would be significantly more damaging to the game than Verraise is, look at Jeeqbit's brief description above.

I don't mind Jobs gaining stuff for flavor, it's literally what Verraise and Vercure are, but PLD already has a White Magic flavor with Clemency, and it is extremely scarce for Paladin/Knight to ever get raise in any FF, the only instance I can think of is Cecil getting it in the 3D remake of FFIV, he didn't have it in any other version.

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It would fit in line with warriors godly levels of self healing.

Just fix Boring Blade and Circle of Scorn. Two absolutely awful moves. Remove Shield Bash, and give cover either 50 gauge cost or a cooldown not both. Remove Clemency too. Pointless buttons just need purged.

The only way PLD gets Raise back is if it is like the old Raise and only out of combat and that's pointless. Personally all combat raises should be gone. Even healer raises should be on a large cooldown. 'If he dies, he dies'