Yoshi please buff smn...

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I mean, one role gets shafted in damage numbers while the other gets shafted in their gameplay (at least two of them).
I don't think there is a winner or looser here.

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I don't think there is either.
I hoped to convey the irony of my post as much as I could, else it would just sound like crab bucket.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

This isn't quite so clean-cut, as you can see from the swaths of Summoners and ease of finding PRanged on new fights: As these jobs are more mobile and Summoner in particular has less oGCDs to weave, their chances of wiping the groups due to missing mechanics is somewhat~significantly lower.

While mostly a problem when progging, this also exists afterwards. Jobs that are, for lack of a better word, "easier" cause less wipes, ultimately improving reliability and hence speed of reclear evenings. This effect is an actual upside of bringing that job, one that has to be balanced somehow in other jobs that have more stuff to fit between mechanics or can less readily pre-position and move early.

It's not a huge effect of course, and I certainly don't disagree that SQEX overdoes it right now, but the effect still exists. As evident, like I said, by how group compositions change as tiers age.

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Is it though?

Like there is no denying that the lack of uptime constraints can make a job more reliable, but what about rotational complexity? Job APM? If those make the player tunnel on their rotation it's not going to make the job more reliable. Your statement posits that those other factors are equal between each job, but they aren't. MCH having higher APM is significant enough to keep some players busy and miss a cue. BRD and DNC having procs and priorities to manage can also play into this.

And then, there is the total lack of mobility options on BRD and MCH, which means that yes, less probabilities to mess up due to uptime constraints or greed, but also more probabilities to mess on execution otherwise, because literally any other job has some form of mobility tool that can act as an "I did an oopsie" get out of jail free card, but BRD and MCH don't have that luxury allowing them to play sloppy. The execution must be on point most of the time.

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Originally Posted by -Xenia-

Also, anyone calling it “brainless” must only use it against a training dummy, as it is a job that gets its difficulty from the fight rather than from its rotation.

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Like what, having to adjust around boss downtime because the primal rotation is so basic and stiff that it has issues when you have to delay bursting?

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Originally Posted by Valence

And then, there is the total lack of mobility options on BRD and MCH, which means that yes, less probabilities to mess up due to uptime constraints or greed, but also more probabilities to mess on execution otherwise, because literally any other job has some form of mobility tool that can act as an "I did an oopsie" get out of jail free card, but BRD and MCH don't have that luxury allowing them to play sloppy. The execution must be on point most of the time

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Isn’t Repelling Shot a mobility option?

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Originally Posted by Connor

Isn’t Repelling Shot a mobility option?

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You got me there. Incredible tool.

I think I can sprint almost as fast

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Originally Posted by Valence

You got me there. Incredible tool.

I think I can sprint almost as fast

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I mean, it does pretty much suck lol, but it’s still there. It’s good for when you can’t be bothered moving I guess? Lol

I mean it's not like En Avant ist actually faster than just moving, due to the weird delay inherent to ~all abilities in this game.

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Originally Posted by Connor

I mean, it does pretty much suck lol, but it’s still there. It’s good for when you can’t be bothered moving I guess? Lol

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It's good for freestyle points when I'm bored

Until I backstep into le bad because the angle with my target was off and the skill animation delay is super stiff

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Originally Posted by Carighan

I mean it's not like En Avant ist actually faster than just moving, due to the weird delay inherent to ~all abilities in this game.

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It's still a pretty huge gain. More than in pvp (where it shuts down your sprint). Try to dash next to someone running and you'll see the difference.

I'll never say that DNC has the mobility problems MCH or BRD do frankly.

The best buff summoner could get is buffing regular bahamut and deleting solar bahamut. Solar destroys post rework summoners ENTIRE FLOW. using bahamut every two minutes with phoenix every odd two minutes was such a nice flow. Solar looks awful and his abilities feel bad. Lux solaris heal is something i forget even exist because the button it replaces is on hotbar #2 for me unlike phoenix's heal. Summoner really needs 3 more gems in 8.0 because having two instant cast gems and a gem with only two hard casts is really bad for the caster fantasy.

Also they NEED to move the level 86 elemental mastery trait to level 50. Playing summoner below level 86 with no special eikonic favors feels atrocious.

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Originally Posted by Valence

It's good for freestyle points when I'm bored

Until I backstep into le bad because the angle with my target was off and the skill animation delay is super stiff



It's still a pretty huge gain. More than in pvp (where it shuts down your sprint). Try to dash next to someone running and you'll see the difference.

I'll never say that DNC has the mobility problems MCH or BRD do frankly.

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Yeah guys anyone disagreeing with the FACTs Valence spit about bard and machinist feeling less mobile than any melee, is wrong sorry. Dashes are clutch tools that when timed right can be used as knockback mitigation or used for clutch repositioning like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyicRV1Md80

Black mage's aetherially warp or whatever its called feels amazing too.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

I mean it's not like En Avant ist actually faster than just moving, due to the weird delay inherent to ~all abilities in this game.

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This is 1000% your brain tricking you into thinking its not faster because the delay feels really bad and sometimes server ticks will kill you or ghost your input. Thats the games jank network architecture which needs to be completely thrown out.

On a good day using a vpn dashes feel awesome.