Occult Crescent Final thoughts

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

That'd be really funny in some cases. I mean, imagine this:
https://i.imgur.com/lNH9RvX.png
But it's your Chocco being carried!

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https://i.imgur.com/sN5kd3l.png

The most anti-social content in the game.
I felt like the game was against me with the drop rates and the speed of another fate spawns.
Map was .. ugly and boring nothing to discover or feel excited about - heavy duty grind what felt as the game was supposed to be mine 9-5 daily job.

I log-in to actually have fun and feel satisfaction of achieving things but this... was quite opposite
Also the OC didn't let me level up any other classes or gain benefits for mine normal gameplay.

The biggest issue with OC revolves around your will to do Forked Tower or not, otherwise there's no point to anything else unless you're interested in getting armors for glam and collecting some minions/mounts through treasures. At the end of the day, phantom jobs are tools used to help with Forked Tower, and just grinding them out for the sake of number go up is not very enticing if you don't get to actually put them to good use.

Forked Tower was the end goal, but with the fumble on difficulty, it's akin to watching a TV show but you're not allowed to watch the final episode, so it left most people with a dissatisfied lack of closure for the whole South Horn.

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Originally Posted by Exinias

Phantom job actions are pretty sick if you actually slot them on your hot/cross bar. I had multiple thief actions slotted on viper and it was pretty fun debuffing with pilfer and using occult sprint at various times. I don't think you interacted enough.

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Pilfer doesn’t even do anything for 99% of things you’ll do in OC

So you are praising the ability to apply a useless debuff then run around fast which is just ripped from impetus anyway?

Noone will ever convince me that phantom jobs are an upgrade over lost actions or logograms. I still haven't gone back into OC and, if North Horn is more of the same, I'll probably skip unless forced to interact due to future relic steps.

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Originally Posted by Myotis

The most anti-social content in the game.
I felt like the game was against me with the drop rates and the speed of another fate spawns.
Map was .. ugly and boring nothing to discover or feel excited about - heavy duty grind what felt as the game was supposed to be mine 9-5 daily job.

I log-in to actually have fun and feel satisfaction of achieving things but this... was quite opposite
Also the OC didn't let me level up any other classes or gain benefits for mine normal gameplay.

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Sucks for you. It's the most social content i've played in-game since Endwalker released.

Bozja was damn near perfect.

Large scale dungeon content with normal mode and savage.
Lost action system was more robust.
Duel system.
Queue system for fates.
Could level other jobs while in zone.
Could progress all stages of the relic while in the zone.

Occult Crescent.
No queue system for fates.
No duel system
Phantom jobs seem too limited and safe compared to lost actions.
Cannot level other jobs while in zone.
Cannot complete all relic steps while in the zone.
No normal mode for large scale dungeon content

With this current relic step, Occult Crescent wont have any value for 6+ months. That is crazy

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Originally Posted by Derio

Bozja was damn near perfect.

Large scale dungeon content with normal mode and savage.
Lost action system was more robust.
Duel system.
Queue system for fates.
Could level other jobs while in zone.
Could progress all stages of the relic while in the zone.

Occult Crescent.
No queue system for fates.
No duel system
Phantom jobs seem too limited and safe compared to lost actions.
Cannot level other jobs while in zone.
Cannot complete all relic steps while in the zone.
No normal mode for large scale dungeon content

With this current relic step, Occult Crescent wont have any value for 6+ months. That is crazy

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Personally dont want relic to be attached to anything specific but rather have various "options" instead to complete steps. Bozjan relic almost had it that way but then ruined it with the required the Bozja dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

I mean OC still not done though, supposedly getting more phantom jobs 7.4, and then another zone in 7.5 with more jobs. Assuming were getting additional levels with the new zone guess they could just allow higher levels to run Forked to naturally ease the difficulty.

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Unless the new mastery stacks and job abilities increase the group's damage to the point that the boss is dead almost instantly, there are too many binary pass/wipe mechanics for power creep to "solve" it.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

It really all boils down to everything in OC is built around forked

If you don’t do forked then OC goes nowhere, if you do do forked then it’s still too much effort to do it a proportional amount of times to the amount of times the game seems to want you to do it to balance out OC

So it either doesn’t work or only half works but still leaves you unsatisfied depending on the situation

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I don't think this is true. I've been doing fine without touching forked tower. I have like over 100 hours in OC by now, and there's plenty of people who are just hanging out in there just to do it. To me this is like saying there's no point to the rest of the game unless you plan on raiding. Would it be nice if there was another tier of forked tower that was more pickup friendly? Of course. But really, it's one dungeon. People skip optional dungeons all the time and nobody really makes a big deal of it.