New Relic step is great

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Originally Posted by Basteala

It's a big "F U" to anyone that doesn't really get into crafting and gathering, though. Shadowlands is not the blueprint you want to follow with relics.

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It doesn't, it follows ARR which also had crafting and given how simple it is nowadays to level crafters up I don't see the issue.
You will survive.


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Great to have a real relic weapon step back finally.
Like all the things required.
I was missing a grind I could do on the side and with all the other things in my life right now it should keep me engaged for a while.

Thumbs up from me.
Hope they don't listen to the big bitching in the community again and keep this type of content for those who actually liked it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

It doesn't, it follows ARR which also had crafting and given how simple it is nowadays to level crafters up I don't see the issue.
You will survive.


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Great to have a real relic weapon step back finally.
Like all the things required.
I was missing a grind I could do on the side and with all the other things in my life right now it should keep me engaged for a while.

Thumbs up from me.
Hope they don't listen to the big bitching in the community again and keep this type of content for those who actually liked it in the first place.

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Nahh, I don't have any leveled and I don't want to spend 1 mil gil on the mb just to begin playing.

It's weird. The NPCs are all at OC, but zero part of the new quests can be done there.
The five items you need to deliver, 1 is bought from an NPC in city for gil, another item is bought for bicolor gemstones, and then 3 are crafted from gathered materials.
Then after this, you have to farm light.
And non of it is using OC at all.

From what I've seen on light farm, the level of the duty gives a base Light, then the daily bonus adjust for it, giving you around 700-850. If you get a low level duty the bonus will be higher (Titania gave around 134 base, 600 bonus), while a high level duty gives high base, low bonus (Jeuno gave around 700 base, 100 bonus).
So you can try to farm it, but it has to be roulette and you might get a lot of low level instances and low payout without bonus. Else it should take around a couple of weeks if you do the dailies for the bonus.

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Originally Posted by Exinias

Nahh, I don't have any leveled and I don't want to spend 1 mil gil on the mb just to begin playing.

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Then don't, it's your choice at the end and I don't care either way.
Be free.

I am only throwing my objection in when people act like leveling crafters takes an extreme amount of work when you can simply do it on the side with custom deliveries and Ishgard and it helps you with things like repairs or materia also so it isn't even a closed of system.

There is no F U when crafting is so accessible. We are not talking about an ultimate here after all.


That's all from me regarding this topic.
Have a nice day.

"Prices will most likely drop within a week," he said
LOL i'm online right now and it's a market bloodbath within just hours of release. Already watched prices on one of the dark matter items fall off a cliff like 2 hours after release and it'll only get worse as more people log in and add to the supply while less people actually need it since it's a one time step
this marketboard in game is incredible. i'm trying to sell one of the dark matters rn and ever 8 seconds someone's undercutting me by anywhere from 1gil to 20k hoooooooly crap daddy chill
anyway yeah in a few days it'll probably be dirt cheap and not worth doing for gil just like so many other crafts in this game

What nonsense. the whole point of moving away from tomestone grind is so that we don't need to spam duty roulette 24/7 (even if you could get tomestones from hunt trains more efficiently)
So now you're truly stuck in duty roulette :DDDDDDD

How can SE be this dumb and not realize this goes against everything people wanted.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

Then don't, it's your choice at the end and I don't care either way.
Be free.

I am only throwing my objection in when people act like leveling crafters takes an extreme amount of work when you can simply do it on the side with custom deliveries and Ishgard and it helps you with things like repairs or materia also so it isn't even a closed of system.

There is no F U when crafting is so accessible. We are not talking about an ultimate here after all.


That's all from me regarding this topic.
Have a nice day.

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No, it make no sense to make new content that requires nothing from the zone it's related to or even content from the expansion it came from. I see a lot of people bringing up "ARR relics" but ARR relics came from all ARR content at the time, this does not. It's a glorified EW grind honestly because it's just do old content, not even content released in the past year, unless you just happen to get that roulette. I should be able to get it from Forked Tower runs or OC, honestly.

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Originally Posted by Exinias

No, it make no sense to make new content that requires nothing from the zone it's related to or even content from the expansion it came from. I see a lot of people bringing up "ARR relics" but ARR relics came from all ARR content at the time, this does not. It's a glorified EW grind honestly because it's just do old content, not even content released in the past year, unless you just happen to get that roulette. I should be able to get it from Forked Tower runs or OC, honestly.

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Then complain about that directly instead of not having leveled crafters because OC not being a possibility and us only doing the same old roulettes is something I also would agree with being worth criticism.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

I don't think that just because ARR did it makes it free from criticism.

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Never said that it makes it free from criticism but some people here act like YoshiP shot their dog because crafting is involved.

But whatever.
I said what I wanted to say.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

It doesn't, it follows ARR which also had crafting and given how simple it is nowadays to level crafters up I don't see the issue.
You will survive.

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I don't think that just because ARR did it makes it free from criticism. ARR certainly did some things right, but back then the Relics actually meant something and carried slightly more prestige. Over the expansions, they've been turned into glorified tomestone weapons or "catch-up" ilvl weapons barring the expansion's last patch where being BiS by that time is largely pointless.

Also, simply levelling-up crafters and then actually gearing/melding them to acceptable craftsmanship/control thresholds to HQ these items are two different things.

I get throwing crafters a bone with this relic step, but I thought that's what crafted weapons were for. It's a bit jarring that they've turned away from forcing them to be necessary for relic weapons for nearly a decade and then suddenly make them a part of the process. And I don't think this step is as innovative or refreshing as some people want to make it out to be when I suspect for the vast majority of players this is simply a trip to the Marketboard. When I logged on the price of each mat was about 400k, within a couple hours most have halved in price; I imagine it will be undercut to like 100k some time within the day and will be dirt cheap by the weekend.

So basically, aside from the bicolor FATE currency, this is just a gil-sink speedbump.

I mean, I appreciate the subsequent aetherwell step; giving us a reason to run some largely-ignored roulettes. I haven't been in a Hades NM or the mud Arboretum in years. This part is kind of what I'd expect more or less with the relic steps. It's just a shame that I feel like the Light step is coming up soon, which always usually just devolved into running the fastest trial with the most light during a given time over and over. That was boring.

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Originally Posted by Yuffah

[...]It's like Endwalker, only more annoying because i can't choose.

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I find it funnier when I realized they're specifically excluding roulettes that probably do not get as much interaction from FT players/lowbies. They really do be using vets to oil their roulette gears.