machinist main crashing out

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Originally Posted by Nadda

Whatever fills the party can clear the fight.

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That wasn't always true.
MCH got blocked from entering PF during 6.2 because it was simply miles better to grab a Dancer or a Bard due to better performances.
6.2 W1 only saw around 7 machinists clearing P8S against 400 dancers. Warrior and Paladin got the same treatment.

It's very cute to support the idea that locking jobs out of PF is toxic but the reality is there, MCH has been underperforming and playing it feels like being an extra weight to your group.

MCH players just want to feel impactful and useful, as much as if they were playing other jobs. It's not rocket science.

better take that grey bard with you i guess xD

Reading threads like this makes one wonder what the Devs are thinking... or if they even are thinking.
Why keep Machinist constantly on the low end of DPS to the point that people feel they have to lock them out of Hardcore content?

Do they think the Job is to easy to play and do´s not deserve higher DPS?
It cannot be they just gutted Black Mage to be even easyer to play then Mechanist.

so what are they thinking when they keep Machinist constantly down?

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Oof, guess it's a good thing I'm not interested in hardcore content then. One of my main DPS is MCH, along with NIN and RDM, and it seems like nobody wants them around most of the time, lol.

I assume NIN is because it can whiff its own abilities making it too risky, and people only want RDM during first/second week prog due to double-rez.

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You have to assume people can push their buttons rather than potato the entire thing. Savage is not hardcore content, it just requires you to be able to play consistently rather than just drop spaghetti all over your keyboard 24/7. The only thing that makes it 'hardcore' is world racing, which is not even half a percent of the people doing the content in the first place.

NIN has been a staple for 'meta' comps since it was first introduced and has never left. RDM is fine and brings decent damage, and has utility.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I won't lock it out unless it's preventing me clearing. But the last 2 days I've been trying to do Unreal and they hit enrage always. So it will probably force my hand next week. I got frustrated relying on randoms' DPS and did it as a Pictomancer so I could clear this week.

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Did they actually give unreal suzaku an actual enrage? I do remember clearing this day 1 in Stormblood with above 14 casualties. That ex killed a LOT of people, but the enrage was like, an afterthought.
Asking because I don't really engage in unreals...

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

they were doing it last tier... its probably only going to get worse :(

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Were they really? Last tier wasn't even bad when it came to damage checks. I don't play phys ranged so I never paid attention to it, I just leave it open for all phys ranged jobs when I put a pf up.

I guess I'm just surprised cuz this is the first I've heard of it.
I'm a whitemage main and there have been times where White Mage isn't considered the best healer.
But I've never been excluded for not being scholar, astro or sage. I mean maybe HW cuz I think Scholars were like the best back then? but I was too new.

That really sucks if that happens in high volume for players. That's all I can say. I always thought "You can beat the raid with any job" so there be no point.

That's really lame sorry Machanist mains :( I've played with many in statics and linkshells I'm in - I've never had an issue with MCH they come in do decent damage with almost no mistakes. I can't ask for more.
If it's any consolation if I ran my own group I'd not discriminate :)

there's also a considerable lack of healers compared to a sea of dps so any healer joining is usually appreciated imo.

even if it's not being locked out (haven't seen it much, if at all in Aether personally), I still feel a bit guilty choosing to come in with a job that's not able to bring as much dps or utility.

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Originally Posted by Nadda

I always thought "You can beat the raid with any job" so there be no point.

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This is actually true, you can beat the raid on any job (usually), but some jobs offer so little that they reduce the leeway for mistakes so much that it becomes a detriment to take any average player of that particular job.

Like in the Abyssos tier where taking a WAR/PLD actually made the dps checks harder, so locking them out was an overall benefit to the party.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Did they actually give unreal suzaku an actual enrage? I do remember clearing this day 1 in Stormblood with above 14 casualties. That ex killed a LOT of people, but the enrage was like, an afterthought.
Asking because I don't really engage in unreals...

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They did. It turns all 4 quadrants purple and all symbols in the distance purple, so that there is no safe spot, then the bird flies to the purple note and kills the party.

I did hit enrage in Stormblood sometimes, but like you said it was easy to have loads of deaths due to gear. Even minimum item level after Stormblood, you could have a lot of deaths due to how expansions changes shifted potencies and things like that. As such, having a Red Mage was a good PUG strat to carry parties through.

Unreal however gives us no such advantages. It's scaled for our job potencies right now and it's synced almost to minimum item level (scaled for 690, synced to 695).

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Originally Posted by Nadda

I always thought "You can beat the raid with any job" so there be no point.

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Usually that's the case, but if there's so little leeway for mistakes, and it's a fight where PF usually makes a mistake, it forces you to figure out a way to increase the success rate of your parties. Fortunately, it's rare for that to happen in this game so jobs don't get locked out very often.