Limit Housing to help solve some potential issues?

This is why its hard to get a final idea on what should be done but it was an idea atleast, not an actual suggestion I would say in the long run it would have issues as you gave a good example of how it can still be done right after all :)

I still do stand by the rest of what I said in the first post (and happy to brainstorm with others changes and such).

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Originally Posted by RosanneFaerwing

This gives people a push to use the rooms / houses for its intended purpose of some sort instead of becoming shell houses only used for the sub-system alone.

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Originally Posted by RosanneFaerwing

Sub use isn't the issue, but the idea of the house is to use it after all so doing the bare minimal should be promoted/giving incentive.

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People can do whatever they want with their house, there is no "idea" or "intended purpose" to it.
Some people want it to be all personal, some all FC, some all big, some all small, some instacned, some persistent.
Just gotta accept that not everyone has the same idea on how to use it as you do.

The intention isn't to force them to use it in specific way but to give incentive to actually use the house.

We see a lot of people sitting on empty plots with literally nothing in it for months on end, unused in the case of player housing especially.
For FC houses, many of use has seen the wave of plots which are owned by 'one FC' just doing it to rinse the sub-system for money.

Having the limit would allow more than a few to hoard the market and give more chance for both more players to get at the system, or simply to introduce more diversity and activity to the wards.

I'm not pushing the idea they should do it my way, your way, any way specifically...
Just a push towards identifying Active plots & Fair share.

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Originally Posted by RosanneFaerwing

Regarding this, I feel there should be a minimal requirement for FCs to exist, and it cannot be a FC full of your alts or something, like let be that there has to be a minimal player number specifically or something cause too many 1 person FCs around just owning blanks isn't right.

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Ever since Housing opens to Personal, the ideas from players in regard to acquisition never fails to make situation from ok to bad and bad to worst.
Do you really thinks SE never thought of that?
How difficult is it to simply asking your friends to make an alt to a solo FC to bypass that laughable requirement?
I also can simply lock the entrance and just decorate the garden with few pieces of items and claiming i am a minimalist
What are you going to do about that?
How difficult is it to have two active subscripted accounts?
Let's be real, right now if I go to McDonald for a simple meal it cost more than FF14's monthly subscription
That makes all your "ideas" pointless isn't it?

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Originally Posted by RosanneFaerwing

This part specifically is what should be pushed for, with one personal owned on a character, and the alts using that house as need too.

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This part is something that’s very much needed: making housing more alt-friendly. It might work better if personal homes could have the ability to add rooms and an account-wide storage chest similar to the FC chest, for transferring tradeable items between characters.

For the rest, the bottom line is congested worlds are still not going to have enough plots for the players on their servers, whether there’s multi-owners or not. And just adding new wards is a server drain. So I continue to be an advocate for the addition of an instanced system, especially one that offers variety with regard to size and scenery.

I wouldn’t be against a reasonable bidding cooldown after winning a plot, but I’m not understanding this storage holding bin you’re attaching to it, where you could lose items somehow? Hard pass on that…

As for minimum item placement... Even if it may be personally distasteful to see literally empty homes that only exist for the workshop/subs, it’s their business if or how they want to decorate. For some people housing really just is utility: summoning bell, maybe a mender, and done. Even personals, some buy from FOMO (encouraged by the scarcity) with plans to decorate later, or hire a designer to do it for them, etc. If this was a rule, you’re going to see people using the exact number of specified items and that’s it. Even without it, I know on my last housing tour, there’s smalls on my server that used their entire item limit with multiple of the same item. For example, nothing but stuffed Alphas or crystal boules. lol

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Ever since Housing opens to Personal, the ideas from players in regard to acquisition never fails to make situation from ok to bad and bad to worst.
Do you really thinks SE never thought of that?
How difficult is it to simply asking your friends to make an alt to a solo FC to bypass that laughable requirement?
I also can simply lock the entrance and just decorate the garden with few pieces of items and claiming i am a minimalist
What are you going to do about that?
How difficult is it to have two active subscripted accounts?
Let's be real, right now if I go to McDonald for a simple meal it cost higher than FF14's monthly subscription
That makes all your "ideas" pointless isn't it?

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Not really no as these ideas are a suggestion, and as I said I'm happy to brainstorm and talk about things.
There is no 100% way to stop this unless they really knuckled down and added too many restrictions completely but then that would make the game rather tedious and as another mentioned which they should look into, doing something like that would defiantly make it not alt-friendly at all.

Most likely SE has thourght about it, but we wouldn't know would we :)
For the FC part, that came to mind instantly; never said there wouldn't be work-arounds but making it more of an obstacle stops the majority from abusing as simply.
And true on the design, no issues at all there to be fair, I don't think thats the focus here.

If you have ideas or something please do share, but as it stands I still feel this would be a good way to help prevent and/or delay people from abusing the system as much as they currently are.
You saying its fine for someone to own an entire ward?
You saying its fine for someone to mass make FCs to do the same?
If not then why not try and help think of ways around this which would benefit all; and that's exactly what I'm trying to do here.

I said this wouldn't appeal to everyone, but that wasn't my goal.
My goal is to try and suggest and discuss a solution to make it more fair than it is now. :)

Reply to @Khryseis_Astra

To be specific I'm not suggesting all 4 ideas as concrete to happen ofc, the 4th one is an idea which came to mind but the interpretation of it could be done differently.
The main reason this came to mind was to simply give people that little push towards their house and if they chose to do nothing after, then thats that. *shrug*
Not our place to say more there.
And yeah I've come across houses like that, some I've come across with just spam of rare items and I'm just like how the heck did you even get all this! xD

The bidding cooldown was an idea to help stop people simply jumping around plots pointlessly as there shouldn't be a need to do so in the first place; allowing others a bit more of a chance to get the next plot instead.
I only put the items being lost as a thing mainly up for square to decide as its a common feature in games to do that if you leave it for too long. Personally I would do without it but it felt like a fair suggestion for their side as it would just be data being held for no reason for ages if someone decides to use it as a 'temp' storage.

The storage part was basically if someone were to by a new house, their old house, and furniture and such gets put into storage. With the current system if you loose your house you need to recover the items completely.
Personally I would say what they should do here is just put all the last houses items into the in-house storage and just transfer that over to the new plot so when they open the house wardrobe/editor all their stuff is in there.

Congested worlds will always have the problem, that's not going to change on how many people go for a house for sure. This is mainly a suggestion to help make it so that the plots are owned by a variety of people instead of owned by a select few alone by using alts.

1 and 3 already exist. As for number 3 people are able to own multiple FC houses on one server cause of the FC system. FC houses are not treated like personals, You don't see the leads name on the placard like a personal. Best way I can explain it:

Example:
Player: blah blah blah
World Levi
blah blah blah Character A: Leader of FC with house
blah blah blah Character B: In FC no house 1. Cannot buy FC house but can bid 2. Can be promoted to lead FC after purchase is made. Result Blah blah blah has two FC houses on the same world.

Reason this is allowed FC's must have a leader at all times to exist.

Yeah the housing in this game continues to be a joke, but SE, and the scum that take advantage of it, aren't going to care.

There's a single ward in the Goblet that is quite literally full of houses owned by a single person. All of them are owned by shell-FC with a single level 2 member. All of them created in 2024. All by the obviously same person.

Just look at the subdivision for Ward 25 on Leviathan.

It's a joke so blatantly disgusting, I'm sure I'm not the only one that's sick of it.

This game encourages greed, amongst other avarices.

It encourages you to act and be superior to your peers.

"Too bad you can't get a house, sucks for you, deal with it."

While you all sit on Discord offering to sell FC-shell plots for 300+ million gil. 🙄

You people are a disgusting breed.