Ideas for DRK substain buffs and more

I forgot to add something

between Tank and Healer there is a certain harmony that must be balance

Either all Tanks get more substain and Healer loose a few healing to replace with new attack or reduce healing potency since they have to careless for tanks

Or remove tank self healing more and keep healer that way because rn with WAR , PLD even GNB with their kit there is no need for crazy amount of healing spell

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Originally Posted by Noox-115

I had a lot of ideas that I wanted to share to give DRK more utility some are just quality of life and buffs

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No.

WAR and PLD are already unhealthy for the game's trinity system. War and Pld (and GNB) self sustain needs to be brought down to Drk levels and their group shields/heals needs to be removed.

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Originally Posted by MisterNublet

No.

WAR and PLD are already unhealthy for the game's trinity system. War and Pld (and GNB) self sustain needs to be brought down to Drk levels and their group shields/heals needs to be removed.

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TRust me I agree too I actually prefer WAR back in shadowbringer but either they nerf tanks down because its rediculous right now or they rescale the tank role and healer role or they buff DRK to realign the tank balance and give healer more tool outside of healing

No, nerf the crap out of tank sustain. Bring the others down to drks level.

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Originally Posted by Basteala

Honestly I don't think DRK needs more sustain so much was WAR and PLD need less.

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I agree, and i'm a paladin main.
More healing needs to be like clemency if anything. Give up resources, not be passive free healing.
I died in a ex1 PF because i was trying out drk, the healer straight up said "sorry i'm not used to the tank needing healing" :skull:

God I feel so validated reading everything here. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one lamenting the state of tanking rn. Thank you for this whole post

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

I agree, and i'm a paladin main.
More healing needs to be like clemency if anything. Give up resources, not be passive free healing.
I died in a ex1 PF because i was trying out drk, the healer straight up said "sorry i'm not used to the tank needing healing" :skull:

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Nerfing tank self sustain may go some way to forcing healers to actually heal again, which may alleviate some of the complaining we've heard from healers for a while.

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Originally Posted by Basteala

Honestly I don't think DRK needs more sustain so much was WAR and PLD need less.

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I generally abide by the philosophy of "buff, don't nerf" except in extreme cases where it's unavoidable. WAR I agree needs changes, but why PLD? PLD is fine, and you also forget that if we're nerfing everything down to DRK's level, GNB would need to get nerfed too.

Tired brain: "Substain? Is that what we DRKs are?"

More relevantly, I disagree with each of the suggestions except #3.

• I do not want Salted Earth to be a 2/3s Passage of Arms.
• I do not want to see TBN made inherently harder to pop and our mitigation control reduced by Oblation being necessarily attached to it.
• I'm not digging the idea of Seeking the Dark; I'd rather sustain be a bit burstier and more active, and sacrificing a mere 4k MP per minute for a perma-HoT is not that.

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Originally Posted by Bibine_Bine

I generally abide by the philosophy of "buff, don't nerf" except in extreme cases where it's unavoidable. WAR I agree needs changes, but why PLD? PLD is fine, and you also forget that if we're nerfing everything down to DRK's level, GNB would need to get nerfed too.

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I think if they want to keep some sustain buffing drk to GNB and nerfing pld/war to gnb would be fine as well
That should be as high as tank sustain should ever be