A shortage? Are you serious? (endgame dt spoilers)

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

REMEMBER FOLKS, A CALAMITY CAN OCCUR WITHOUT RESULTING IN A REJOINING.(EX: 13th, or the Forestalled 1st<which we then ended/denied>)

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Excuse me but no. Maybe it's just playing on the word, but a calamity is what happens in the source when the eather of a shard flood the source. 1st shard is good example, the calamity associated to it was the 8th, and by rewriting history, it was avoided. Only person that lived it G'raha. Flood of lightning/darkness (or what seems to be a thunder flood) are different from calamities, its what happens in the shards. Minfilia stopped the flood of light, and you stopped the possiblity of it to resume. In the game timeline, there was no calamity associated with the 1st and the 13th.

But Wicked Thunder said "There is no limit to electrope's potential." She must know something we don't.

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Originally Posted by Nitelancer

But Wicked Thunder said "There is no limit to electrope's potential." She must know something we don't.

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I could imagine that the writers pull out the power of imagination - card out.
Just to be consistent with DT writing.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

Excuse me but no. Maybe it's just playing on the word, but a calamity is what happens in the source when the eather of a shard flood the source. 1st shard is good example, the calamity associated to it was the 8th, and by rewriting history, it was avoided. Only person that lived it G'raha. Flood of lightning/darkness (or what seems to be a thunder flood) are different from calamities, its what happens in the shards. Minfilia stopped the flood of light, and you stopped the possiblity of it to resume. In the game timeline, there was no calamity associated with the 1st and the 13th.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Umbral Calamities are specifically the disasters on the Source when a Rejoining occurs, and a shard being consumed by Light or Dark renders it unable to be rejoined.

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Disagree with both.
We call a Calamity, when certain events occur. Causing Disaster.

If The Flood of Light in the first didn't occur, but blackrose did.

Still a Component/Calamity Needed for a Rejoining.

It would still be a Calamity.

Rejoining is the mechanic when two calamities cause a merging of the shard and source during the same time/criteria.

Also, The idea that Flood of Light and Dark Can't Be Rejoined is kinda proving both of you wrong.

The Ascians themselves didn't know how to Rejoin the world's. Hence why the Void/13th Failed.

If they knew Dark didn't work EVER. why would they TRY with light(or Black Rose)

Simply Put.

You're Both Confusing Calamity as Rejoining.

It's like the Topic of Dynamis and LB.

(Calamity Feed Into Rejoinings. But Rejoinings themselves aren't only Calamities. aka, They are a Component, but not a PART that makes it impossible to exist after failing to Rejoin.

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In the end, like I stated in the original comment.

If you all really want to go on that topic, go round up the lore Enthusiasts who know more than clearly the three of us(to varying degrees).

The point of the thread is the PERCEIVED SCARCITY OF ELECTROPE the Original thread maker has.

Not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Nitelancer

But Wicked Thunder said "There is no limit to electrope's potential." She must know something we don't.

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She knows how to use Electrope in conjunction with her thunder thighs.

This might be of some help in this discussion: Yoshi-P Interview Link

'I'm going to make a small point about reflections. What you can find in the Encyclopaedia Eorzea is considered canon. There won't be any plot twists like “It was written in the Enclyclopaedia Eorzea that this world had disappeared because of a calamity and rejoined the Source, but in reality it hadn't disappeared at all”. On the other hand, it's important to understand that when a reflection disappears, it's a world that had a history, that had a civilization, and we don't know exactly what may have happened on this world and the history of this people at the time of the calamity.'

'Go back to the Encyclopaedia Eorzea, take a look at the diagram of the different reflections and make a history of what has disappeared. This should help you.'

In the EE Vol.3, p.13, there's a diagram of the various reflections. The Second, Third, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Tenth, and Twelfth are rejoined and are gone. The Thirteenth was turned into the Void by the Flood of Darkness, and the First was largely decimated by the Flood of Light, leaving a small land area that corresponds to modern day Eorzea on the Source. The only unexplored and unaccounted for shards are the Fourth, Eighth, Nineth, and Eleventh.

During Eden's Promise, Mitron explained that the Flood of Darkness on the Thirteenth caused the polarity shift on the First towards Light. If that's true, then it's possible that the Calamity of Water which rejoined the Tenth polarized the adjacent worlds to create a second Lightning-aspected world. That fits with the timeline as well, if you consider Aloalo, Nym, and the Milala who travelled from the Source to Alexandria.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

She knows how to use Electrope in conjunction with her thunder thighs.

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That She does, I'll give her that. (and a /Slap Each time I queue in. For making things too personal and not FN lis-ten-ing)

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Disagree with both.
We call a Calamity, when certain events occur. Causing Disaster.
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then you're just wrong. I'm sorry, it's explained several times in the game, the term Calamity in FFXIV means a precise thing, and it seems you decided to give it a larger meaning. A calamity is what happens when there is a rejoining. The aether coming from the shard renforce a already existing disturbance in the source, making it a calamity. The black rose existed, but the light aether from the first shard made it a calamity, making the poison more potent (far more potent than what the empire expected), since it renforced the stagnation (Black rose made the aether of people stand still). Urianger explains it in ShB. Floods of light and darkness are not Calamities. There is no calamity linked to the 13th, and the 1st calamity ended not happening despite the flood happening. You need a rejoining to have a calamity. You're the one that confusing things, not us.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

The Ascians themselves didn't know how to Rejoin the world's. Hence why the Void/13th Failed.

If they knew Dark didn't work EVER. why would they TRY with light(or Black Rose)

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This is also false, the ascians did know how to rejoin shards, they did it 7 times (8 in the alternate timeline). It's said in ShB (by Emet-Selch, IIRC) that the first was their first attempt, and failed. But after that, they perfected the method and achieved several rejoining.
And nobody said Dark would not work ever. 7th umbral calamity is a darkness calamity - all the element in their astral alignment. Astral is a the active state, but we learn in ShB that the active state is actually linked to darkness, not light, like thought in the source.

Are you really arguing about that mess of a lore that was the dawntrail msq ? Here's a great advice : everything that happened after 6.0 was nothing but a fever dream and hopefully we're gonna wake up at some point :3

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Originally Posted by Syln

Are you really arguing about that mess of a lore that was the dawntrail msq ? Here's a great advice : everything that happened after 6.0 was nothing but a fever dream and hopefully we're gonna wake up at some point :3

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My WoL hasn't recovered from the body swap that Zenos put us through and is remaining in an indefinite coma.