post-Dawntrail even story dungeons are harder and more punishing to heal than ever

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Originally Posted by Granis

if i was in the middle of casting dosis by the time the boss starts casting the first pound, i know i'm going to get clipped by the very EDGE of the puddle that ends up in the middle, i have to completely stop casting after the cones attacks and just get ready to move and lose a ton of uptime in order to dodge it clealy at all, and if someone else gets clipped, i can't really react fast to save them, the poison does that much damage, and it's even worse if this is the one right before the spread overlap.

i've tried it now with trusts all night tonight to avoid angering any more groups and getting hit with more vote abandons, and as much as i try to mimic the trusts movements i end up like a hair too late and get clipped and can't help myself fast enough because the poison is so deadly, especially in combination with those spread rings... I don't know what the game is actually expecting of me...

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One thing from an old piece of leftover code from the old days is a technique called Slidecasting. Making use of that will substantially help.

https://i.imgur.com/tNP8hLy.png

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

That's IMHO fine. Healers are also spellcaster. They need to know when's a good time to patch the team up that also won't endanger themselves.

Need to constantly move? We're literally drowning in so many instants, where do you even need to actually stand and cast something unless your party simply do not dodge bad stuffs? Also we can just... move and cast at the same time with instants? If you're on trust duty, you could also just stop doing everything and focus on dodging? Sprint is also there to help.

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except for sages it's not a simple matter of "just hit instant casts lol" since you need to use eukrasia before you can cast your "instant cast" gcd shields, that's two seperate buttons you need to press very quickly while ALSO somehow moving fast enough to not get clipped by any of these attacks with brutally fast snapshots? and if someone gets hits they're probably going to die to the spread mechanic, the attacks move so quickly i can't even select someone and get off an addergall fast enough, they're so quick it takes too much time to target someone and use an instant cast heal, because you still need time to target someone and throw it out even if they are "instant cast because it takes time away fromm moving to select someone and click the button.

They buffed Second wind for melee's so they can learn to smack the button. They also have there neat bloodbath they should be pressing. i think healing is Better now as it means that we have some more reactive time to what is about to be incoming, If a dps dies from 3 invuls maybe they will learn. Sometimes you can't play the hero because others keep walking in the orange.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

Which poison tick are you referring to? I just looked up a vid of the first boss to see if I was remembering wrong, and even when people eat a vuln on the "poison splash" mechanic, there's no poison dot on the players. Nobody should be getting hit during that mechanic anyway, but if they do, a swiftcast during the movement should be enough to get a GCD on someone who ate a bit of bad.

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let me try the fight again and let me see if i'm fast enough to screenshot it...

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Originally Posted by Granis

except for sages it's not a simple matter of "just hit instant casts lol" since you need to use eukrasia before you can cast your "instant cast" gcd shields, that's two seperate buttons you need to press very quickly while ALSO somehow moving fast enough to not get clipped by any of these attacks with brutally fast snapshots? and if someone gets hits they're probably going to die to the spread mechanic, the attacks move so quickly i can't even select someone and get off an addergall fast enough, they're so quick it takes too much time to target someone and use an instant cast heal, because you still need time to target someone and throw it out even if they are "instant cast because it takes time away fromm moving to select someone and click the button.

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You can freely move with eukrasia, I don't know why pressing a button while moving is an issue. Also, holos, panhaima, haima, physis, ixochole, etc. SGE has a tone of insta cast heals

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Originally Posted by Granis

except for sages it's not a simple matter of "just hit instant casts lol" since you need to use eukrasia before you can cast your "instant cast" gcd shields, that's two seperate buttons you need to press very quickly while ALSO somehow moving fast enough to not get clipped by any of these attacks with brutally fast snapshots? and if someone gets hits they're probably going to die to the spread mechanic, the attacks move so quickly i can't even select someone and get off an addergall fast enough, they're so quick it takes too much time to target someone and use an instant cast heal, because you still need time to target someone and throw it out even if they are "instant cast because it takes time away fromm moving to select someone and click the button.

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My point in mentioning instants is to be your solution to move and heal at the same time. The only healing actions you need to sit still and cast on SGE are only Diagnosis and Prognosis (please don't use these lol). Sure, Eukrasia has pseudo 1.00s delay. But if it comes down to surviving, SGE has literally the rest of their library of buttons being instants.

Also in that first boss if you try to react solely by seeing the AoE telegraphs, you're more likely to get hit. You'll have a better chance to dodge the mechanic by watching the boss' arms movement. If they raise their left arm, that indicates the left side of the arena is going to be hazardous. Move out before the telegraph actually appear. The boss does this 4 times in a row. So hang around close to the center => watch which arm's raised => get away from that side => back to middle => repeat.

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Originally Posted by Granis

except for sages it's not a simple matter of "just hit instant casts lol" since you need to use eukrasia before you can cast your "instant cast" gcd shields, that's two seperate buttons you need to press very quickly while ALSO somehow moving fast enough to not get clipped by any of these attacks with brutally fast snapshots? and if someone gets hits they're probably going to die to the spread mechanic, the attacks move so quickly i can't even select someone and get off an addergall fast enough, they're so quick it takes too much time to target someone and use an instant cast heal, because you still need time to target someone and throw it out even if they are "instant cast because it takes time away fromm moving to select someone and click the button.

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Use instacast oGCD’s

Kerechole, holos, indom, seraph, rapture, horoscope, celestial opposition

There are so many AOE oGCD’s you could be using

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Originally Posted by Granis

let me try the fight again and let me see if i'm fast enough to screenshot it...

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here it is

https://i.imgur.com/uIFZXCy.png

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Originally Posted by Granis

here it is

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Are you walking through the stationary poison orbs (the one the boss slams to create the aoes) or something? That's the only thing I can think of, since the vid I'm watching doesn't even have a dot on someone for half a second after eating a splash. But if that's the issue, just don't walk into them, that's basically the same as not walking off the edge of an arena.

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Originally Posted by noelregnard

You can freely move with eukrasia, I don't know why pressing a button while moving is an issue. Also, holos, panhaima, haima, physis, ixochole, etc. SGE has a tone of insta cast heals

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yes but consider this:

finding the button and clicking on it takes time, while you're also trying to orient yourself and move in time, if you're using the mouse to both click on buttons and for camera control as you used WASD to move, clicking even instant cast buttons might cause you to die if the AoEs are too fast or too punishing. I typically find i can only toss out my instant casts towards the end of a movement phase for this reason, and because the boss does this 4 times in a row, there isn't enough "breather room" to use any abilities until the mechanic is over with and someone has probably either died to the aoes, the poison dot, or the spread markers.