Please, dont bring Bojza back!

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I loved this content- and if you remember, it wasn't a requirement & you weren't forced into it.

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You were absolutely forced into it for the relic, which was one of the best parts of the ARR, HW, and EW relics. You were not forced to do side content like Eureka/Bozja to get one.

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Originally Posted by Karkarov

There are only two reasons you do brain dead bozja. You like spending hundreds of hours to get a relic weapon, or you wanted a brain dead fate train farm to level lower level classes. The fact that these zones die the instant the new expac comes out tells you everything you need to know about how "fun" they are. They also make it so it is next to impossible to go back and get your relic if you were not on the initial wave, I would rather heavensward grind again, at least that was something doable later. Good luck getting through Bozja's mind numbing relic grind in DT with anything other than hours of waiting on party finder or a group of friends willing to carry you.

The last expansion was a move in the right direction, any player could get a relic, not just the no lifers who were willing to grind for hundreds of hours. Should it have been more complex than "give me tons of poetics and do the very divisive hildibrand quests?" yes. But I personally never want to see a Eureka or Bozja ever again. Far too much dev effort to create content that is insta dead as soon as the new expansion hits.

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You could only claim that Bozja or Eureka "died" when new expansions come out if you've never actually done them.
Obviously they're not super-crowded in like, expansion release week. But they're still active, and have very active communities around them, especially for Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae.

im so full from field ops farming yum (im excited for a new one)

Eureka, yes. Bozja, no. Outside of the "dungeon" in Bozja, they basically took Eureka, ripped out everything that made it enjoyable, and half assed everything else to make Bozja.

I'm all for an actual set of fun zones like Eureka, but please don't give us the Wuk Lamat of content again.

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Originally Posted by Yeems

You could only claim that Bozja or Eureka "died" when new expansions come out if you've never actually done them.
Obviously they're not super-crowded in like, expansion release week. But they're still active, and have very active communities around them, especially for Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae.

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I can say with certainty that I did, or attempted both in about 6.1-6.2 and those were dead. I was frequently the only one in Eureka zones and Bozja was all people just farming z3 fates in zadnor and maybe 2 people anywhere else. The instances were absolutely impossible to get enough people to get a run of and not having the riding maps at the start was abysmal. Getting a Delibrum queue to pop with more than 3 people also was a weeks long endeavor. There is a problem with longitevity on these piece of content and to ignore them is asinine.

The promise of new a Field Operation is one of the few things that kept me playing for DT. They are the only places you can get dedicated overworld content and fun large raid wings. They are some of the best content to come out of FFXIV and are great to replay.

Eureka is hands-down the best thing that was ever added to this game, and I struggle to see them improving on it.

It's content where you are reliant on other people. You make friends actually doing things, there's mysteries and tricks and secrets, and once it's all uncovered there are still things to do. God I fucking love Eureka. The entire open world should be like Eureka.

Bozja was a direct downgrade, but that's to be expected given what Shadowbringers was.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

You were absolutely forced into it for the relic, which was one of the best parts of the ARR, HW, and EW relics. You were not forced to do side content like Eureka/Bozja to get one.

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^this. 100%

While you can do parts of ARR/HW/EW-relics while doing something else (dailies, etc), you have to spend your time in Bozja/Eureka doing nothing else than FATEs. Its just literally FATEs.
I mean... if people like FATEs so much, why dont do them in the current (or older) zones?

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

People just played it because of the relic weapons. But it was not fun. You can do nothing except waiting or following the FATE-train.

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Also? I don't have any of the relic weapons for these areas. They were probably good at the time stat-wise, but not all of them look that great.
I enjoy the exploration zones because this is an MMO and I enjoy playing with others.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I can say with certainty that I did, or attempted both in about 6.1-6.2 and those were dead. I was frequently the only one in Eureka zones and Bozja was all people just farming z3 fates in zadnor and maybe 2 people anywhere else. The instances were absolutely impossible to get enough people to get a run of and not having the riding maps at the start was abysmal. Getting a Delibrum queue to pop with more than 3 people also was a weeks long endeavor. There is a problem with longitevity on these piece of content and to ignore them is asinine.

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I don't know if other DCs are somehow a complete 180 from Chaos, but I properly started Eureka around 6.1 as well and never had any issues with it in terms of activity.
Sure, the leveling grind was slow, but then it was a lot worse anyway when it was current.

Delubrum, I've never seen anyone queue. Only party finder or otherwise premade groups. Which I've also never struggled to find. Sure, it's not always crowded, but it never felt undoable.
And after first clear, there's an alternative for most options that you can do inside Bozja.