DRG: Can we get Spineshatter Dive back for the animation instead of Winged Glide?

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Originally Posted by Router

I'm convinced it was mostly seen as a weave issue. JP players seem to have a strong distaste for "busyness", so they removed gapcloser damage from jobs that frequently weave. Jobs like WAR still have damage on their basic gapclosers.

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Yes, some JP players also ask for the animation lock of the remaining jumps to be reduced.

Winged Glide should have a jump-like animation and a lower cooldown of 30s or at the very least 45s. 60s is just a carryover from Spineshatter that they never bothered to fix.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

theres no impact on jumps

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This has been said for years now and usually when people say impact they mean potency. I wish Stardiver's potency was 900 and not Starcross considering the former is a single-weave. It should feel strong because of this.

Anyway, I disagree jumps lack power. They are oGCDs so logically they have less potency as otherwise, we'd have to be nerfed. And whether we like it or not, DRG is a WAR clone now, which has the positive effect of making our 1-minute bursts almost as strong as our 2-minute ones.

We deal almost 40% more damage for 20s every minute, which makes Starcross deal almost 1.3k potency on its own. A combination of Starcross, another strong oGCD like Wyrmwind Thrust or Rise of the Dragon and one of the higher potency GCDs deals more damage than a NIN's Hyosho.

What DRG needs right now is an actual filler and an actual gauge. Making Mirage Dive grant one scale and doing AoE damage would fix it and help a bit with that, although we'd still need something more.

I was more refering to animations, they look aweful for jumps. FF11 / FF14 1.0 did it better, jumps were slower, had more impact. Potency increase would be nice too, its supposed to be a dragoons ultimate ability, dragoons are really weak at the moment, atleast from whats seen on dps charts.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

I was more refering to animations, they look aweful for jumps. FF11 / FF14 1.0 did it better, jumps were slower, had more impact. Potency increase would be nice too, its supposed to be a dragoons ultimate ability, dragoons are really weak at the moment, atleast from whats seen on dps charts.

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Thats the problem, if they make the jump slower aka HW era, the animation lock is abysmall

Remember all the dragoon meme back in HW era? Its all because the animation lock

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Originally Posted by gumas

Thats the problem, if they make the jump slower aka HW era, the animation lock is abysmall

Remember all the dragoon meme back in HW era? Its all because the animation lock

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Well, the animation lock sorted the bad DRG's from the good ones and made the job more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Inosaska

I'm 100% on board with having Spineshatter Dive return instead of having winged glide. I'm not sure why they made such a change.

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They removed Spineshatter, as well as DRK's and GNB's old gap closers so that players did not feel pressured to include the damage from the gap closer into their burst phase. WAR and PLD still have a damage-dealing gap closer since they don't have burst phases (as far as I know)

However, as a filthy casual, I do miss Spineshatter, Plunge, and Rough Divide

1) Dragoon does have dashes
https://i.imgur.com/4tkm4Rn.gif

2) A jump gap closer that deals no damage? Why, that hardly makes sense! https://i.imgur.com/MHhqFu4.jpeg

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Originally Posted by gumas

Thats the problem, if they make the jump slower aka HW era, the animation lock is abysmall

Remember all the dragoon meme back in HW era? Its all because the animation lock

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Yeah unless oGCDs get dramatically reduced so single weaves become more common on Dragoon having slow strong looking jump animation probably won't ever happen.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

1) Dragoon does have dashes
https://i.imgur.com/4tkm4Rn.gif

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And yet this one clearly deals damage