Relic - Opportunity for removing Gil from the system

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Originally Posted by Nyx

For the stage of the Relic weapon quest where one has to double meld materia onto the class weapons why doesn't square offer the weapons and materia for sale from an NPC? I feel like this would be a good way to remove gil from the system and even the playing field for newer members.

I know there are possible problems such as people undercutting those prices on the wards, or preying on ignorance of new players who might not know those items are available for sale from an npc, and the aspect of a time sink that would be partially removed from the game.

I am by no means a player that does not have a large amount of gil, so please do not take this as me complaining about the system that we currently have.

What do the rest of you think?

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Because no one will make the weapons if the NPC sells em. Ruins the community, but is a great gil-sink.

Relic is a huge gilsink. Every time a weapon blows up there is Gil removed from the economy. The economy consists of not only Gil, but the items that have a Gil value also. When we talk about Gil sinks, for whatever reason, we only reference the very rich. But if I farm 2 million Gil, spend that 2 million on a weapon, and proceed to blow that weapon up by attempting a meld, that's a 2 million Gil item that no longer exists.

I think you should be able to refill your anima for a hefty price personally.

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Originally Posted by Arik

Relic is a huge gilsink. Every time a weapon blows up there is Gil removed from the economy. The economy consists of not only Gil, but the items that have a Gil value also. When we talk about Gil sinks, for whatever reason, we only reference the very rich. But if I farm 2 million Gil, spend that 2 million on a weapon, and proceed to blow that weapon up by attempting a meld, that's a 2 million Gil item that no longer exists.

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If you buy the mats + materia from wards, and blow up the item that's not a real gilsink - money isn't "going away" it's only being deposited into another player's pocket.

If you actually farm the mats (everything) and make your own materia (with gear you made with the farmed mats), that's not money that's "disappearing" that money was never in circulation.

So yeah, the only real gilsink is the 50/100 k item from Hamlet Defense. But when you have people running around with 10M+ that doesn't sound like much.

10Mill? Lol...That's food for the week...

Honestly though... more gil is coming INTO the economy VIA NPCing fish / ore / other random crap then going out.

It's like a license to print gil... Easily tens of millions being CREATED (not transferred from one account to another) each day.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

I think you should be able to refill your anima for a hefty price personally.

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You can. The gil just shifts to another player in that case.

You do realize Gil is closer to Yen not Dollars right? The economy is fine.

I mean, seriously, I make at least 100k every time I play regardless of what I do, so you should never be broke. If you actually use your money wisely you can afford anything in the game without even having to farm or craft.

The 50/100k item his not really a big gilsink , when you think how much gil only Pimelle give to the player for all their crap not to mention all other source of income the game give.

There is very little good reason to either expand or contract the monetary base. The actual value of gil is determined by what's available to purchase and how much gil each individual has.

In an economy where players each trade with one another gil should circulate fairly rapidly. However, this is determined more by Square-Enix who is entirely in charge of what is possibly available at any time.

Really, and some have touched on this but not entirely, what is actually bad is a fluctuating monetary base. And by both reducing or increasing the amount of gil in the system, you can cause serious problems.

Now, I know some will think that by introducing gil sinks, it will help to counter balance the issue of gil being introduced into the system. This, while seemingly logical, cannot address the issue itself. For one, someone mentioned that gil being created by the millions from vendors. Now, if we try to address this by introducing a gil sink somewhere else... the fact that people will vendor different and varying quantities of items over time and people will engage in whatever gil sink activities that are available to varying degrees, it will ensure that there can be NO balancing with regard to the flow of gil into and out of the economy. This type of 'balancing' can only lead to a multiplication of 'fixes' that never actually deal with the issue.

In short, the number of sources for gil to either enter or exit the economy must be VERY limited in number. I am sure the developers are fully capable of measuring the quantity of gil at any time, and thus are capable of measuring the change in gil over time. If they keep the source for gil entering the economy constant, meaning keep vendor prices and leve/quest rewards stable, they should be able to modify taxes on the wards themselves to ensure a non fluctuating monetary base.

Also, some silly things I read:

Someone mentioned that if an item blows up, gil is taken out of the system. This is just simply not true. There might be gil lost in the process of making and selling the item... guild synthesis buffs, or purchasing items from a vendor. But only items are destroyed. And the gil you used to purchase those items is safely in someone else's pouch.

Also, the fact that people have vary amounts of gil is directly related to the degree of time/effort and intelligence with which a player invests himself in the game. Larger quantities of gil usually can be extrapolated as meaning this person has spent more time or has spent their time effeciently while playing. And in general, most gil is rewarded to a player for doing a service, either gathering materials or crafting those materials for someone else. Someone who has made lots of gil and saves most of it is a pretty charitable fellow. Considering he does many services to others without asking for much in return. Such a fellow surely has a greater claim to the services of others. I see no reason why large amounts of gil are bad. Obviously those who earned their gil by vendoring items perform no service to others, and this is partially why I think vendoring items should be entirely removed from the game. But that's another topic.

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Originally Posted by Roaran

Someone mentioned that if an item blows up, gil is taken out of the system. This is just simply not true. There might be gil lost in the process of making and selling the item... guild synthesis buffs, or purchasing items from a vendor. But only items are destroyed. And the gil you used to purchase those items is safely in someone else's pouch.

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Technically the gil is gone as soon as you buy the 50K item from the NPC... not when it blows up.

However, the item and gil(50K) are gone when you blow it up.