Am I the only one who prefers simpler jobs?

Not sure what OP's definition of simple is but I'm guessing this is referring to like SMN/RPR/DNC. Low-paced, straightforward rotations with less points of failure. Like what others have said I think it's good for each role to have a job like that, an entire role being inaccessible would be a problem, but I just don't want every job to be that way.

I tend to run through several different jobs when running roulettes for tomestones/second chance points and I really enjoy the variety. I like using the current SMN and I was terrible at ShB SMN, but I still really miss the latter and wish we had both somehow. There's clearly jobs that aren't catered to me and that's fine. I'd rather the devs not make major changes and risk alienating the folks it's made for.

Simple and braindead are two different things. For example, I find Dancer simple but extremely fun, while the healing jobs are braindead boring AF.

The problem is that there's almost only simple to medium jobs left. The entire healer role plays the exact braindead 11111 playstyle, every tank burst except GNB is just WAR's Fell Cleave unga-bunga in disguise (and GNB is hardly complicated either). For casters RDM was supposed to be the simple easy caster-lite job, then they just made SMN into a glorified physical ranged with none of the complexity. And mind you physical ranged does not have a lot of complexity to begin with - And you'd think it would when they don't have to worry about movement downtime. As for melee, DRG, which used to be considered a good middle of the road entry point, is now considered only below Ninja in complexity (and it's not that DRG suddenly became complex).

You really only have Ninja and Black Mage left if you want to play a "complicated" job (and it seems they are trying to kill any kind of rotational wiggle-room for BLM, something that won't make it even easier to play but definitely simpler and less expressive, forcing you to stick to a strict unchanging rotation no matter what, even if fight mechanics make it more intuitive to adjust your number of Fire IV casts from time to time).

So no, liking simple jobs isn't bad. Asking that every job should cater to you would be, rather than having a gradient of complexity you can enjoy regardless of what kind of player you are. Or what kind of day you might be having. Unfortunately right now the game skews hard one way and is trending only further.

@OP: yes. i try not to play things with the expressed purpose of boring myself, since there's a lot of other games fighting for what free time and money I've got.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Simple jobs is absolutely fine.

The problem is when you combine simple jobs with simple content. And simple mechanics..

There's no engagement. Every job has a strict rotation you could essentially macro the whole thing if the devs didn't intentionally cripple the macro system. Every encounter heavily scripted and because brainless. And every system that added some depth to the game has been butchered and removed to the point that dps is literally everything.

Simple jobs would be fine if it wasn't combined with simple everything else... (as long as it didn't mean simple jobs were miles behind more complex jobs)

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This is the essence of the problem...I don't mind a semi actiony playstyle of simple classes....I despise that all the classes are more and more just feeling like reskins and the content doubly so...

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

The problem is that there's almost only simple to medium jobs left. The entire healer role plays the exact braindead 11111 playstyle, every tank burst except GNB is just WAR's Fell Cleave unga-bunga in disguise (and GNB is hardly complicated either). For casters RDM was supposed to be the simple easy caster-lite job, then they just made SMN into a glorified physical ranged with none of the complexity. And mind you physical ranged does not have a lot of complexity to begin with - And you'd think it would when they don't have to worry about movement downtime. As for melee, DRG, which used to be considered a good middle of the road entry point, is now considered only below Ninja in complexity (and it's not that DRG suddenly became complex).

You really only have Ninja and Black Mage left if you want to play a "complicated" job (and it seems they are trying to kill any kind of rotational wiggle-room for BLM, something that won't make it even easier to play but definitely simpler and less expressive, forcing you to stick to a strict unchanging rotation no matter what, even if fight mechanics make it more intuitive to adjust your number of Fire IV casts from time to time).

So no, liking simple jobs isn't bad. Asking that every job should cater to you would be, rather than having a gradient of complexity you can enjoy regardless of what kind of player you are. Or what kind of day you might be having. Unfortunately right now the game skews hard one way and is trending only further.

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This.

Right now the problem is that on top of having extremly simple job (hi SMN) most class fall under the ''simple'' side of complexity. It not that we hate simple job, but that they often just changed job we loved to make them simple and now it hard to find a good job unless you enjoy one side of the spectrum. There BLM and NIN being complex, will the rest are simple and there not much in-between those two.

I wouldnt have a problem with SMN if it kept this level of accessibility but also offered more depth and things to play with on top of it. Almost every job in the game is as approachable as SMN or close to it by just pressing buttons in succession, which is also what SMN does, but SMN however doesn't offer more things to do than to just press the same buttons again and again.

When I read enjoying simple jobs, what I truly read is "I enjoy reaching the skill ceiling of the job because it's literally on top of its skill floor". No expansion before EW has stopped very casual players to just take on the jobs they wanted and play with them perfectly fine in any casual content whatsoever even though we had no EW SMN back then.

The "Action Change" option is extremely good choice. It can satisfy people who want challenging inputs and people who wants satisfaction from simpler inputs. There are games that give player "input option" and they succeeded in doing so. I believe that FFXIV is going in right direction with "Action Change" feature and it should be expanded to more skills and abilities.

here's the thing, i enjoy simplar jobs, but whats simple to me might not be simple to someone else, I think Red Mage and Dark Knight are simple jobs, it's easy to figure out how to work all their abilities into a combat situation, however jobs like Black Mage and Gun Breaker seem overly complicated, there will be times where you wont even think to use certain buttons in those jobs and that's weird to me,

Right now in Dawntrail Ninja is the perfect balance of complexity and simplicity, you can play it in a simple way and still be effective and helpful to the party, or you can make it complex and work in every ability and get your own form of satisfaction doing it while, still benefiting the party, you have to actively suck to play ninja bad.

People keep saying Black mages skill ceiling has been lowered, listen I barely remember half the abilities they get let alone want to do the finger gymnastics to play it "good" by other peoples standards, f-that.