Okay they weren't lying about the relic

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Originally Posted by Arlythe

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When I want mindless grinding, I might as well play WoW

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I don't really understand this stance.

Doing the same daily roulettes day in and day out, running the same exact cookie-cutter content you have run for the past 2-10 years, is the definition of a mindless grind. Hunt trains are even worse, you fight 12+ mobs in a row that can't even get a single mechanic off, ad nauseum for hours. They've turned getting relics into the gameplay equivalent of sitting in traffic every morning on your way to work.

I get the feeling that the people who like this relic format are the compulsive rouletters who get home from work, feel an unhealthy compulsion to go down the list and complete every single roulette, and then are left without much time left to do anything else.

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

Tomestome weapons exists for a reason, if you don't like the grind those are there and are almost the same (if not better for the majority of the expansion). The relics should have never devolved into the glorified tome weapon that is in EW and I really hope they change it in DT, this feels like a joke.

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I agree with and beside the relic I really want to know the sequel to Bozja Story because it kinda finish on a cliffhanger after The Dalriada and Bozja is the closest we get to an actual war frontline the raids are more like actual mission with objectives than just : Bing bang bong and win

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Originally Posted by Arlythe

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When I want mindless grinding, I might as well play WoW

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because clearly doing the same roulettes over and over again with absolutely 0 difficulty is oh so much more entertaining

While just paying tomestones for it is rather cheap, it's better than tying it to side content that's going be abandoned by the playerbase.

Should of made the relic 660 ilvl and make people actually do savage content better yet make the high end raiders feel rewarded rather then wait to have it replaced,
Do savage or spend 6000 tomes, a massive slap in the face to all people who did the tier. Be proud casual Players you don't deserve it.

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Originally Posted by Arlythe

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When I want mindless grinding, I might as well play WoW

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XIV players when they have to play the game

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I don't really understand this stance.

Doing the same daily roulettes day in and day out, running the same exact cookie-cutter content you have run for the past 2-10 years, is the definition of a mindless grind. Hunt trains are even worse, you fight 12+ mobs in a row that can't even get a single mechanic off, ad nauseum for hours. They've turned getting relics into the gameplay equivalent of sitting in traffic every morning on your way to work.

I get the feeling that the people who like this relic format are the compulsive rouletters who get home from work, feel an unhealthy compulsion to go down the list and complete every single roulette, and then are left without much time left to do anything else.

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I mean it's also you can effectively get the amount of tomestones needed in less then five hours as opposed to before where it was a grindfest. For instance I just did the second step of RPR's relic quest on saturday, only 200 short from finishing it now. It's really not that big of a deal. Add in instead of doing something like bozja or eureka this post-expansion they did Island Sanctuary and the various variant dungeon, would you prefer relics tied to those? Would you prefer the entire system be attached to Island Sanctuary?

I don't see the big problem with tying it to doing roulettes. It's honestly the biggest not-problem people decided to make it. Especially if the biggest complaint is just "they're tied to roulettes!!!! this is bad because people have to do content enjoyed by more people!!"

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

While just paying tomestones for it is rather cheap, it's better than tying it to side content that's going be abandoned by the playerbase.

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I don't know. I've done Eureka and Bozja recently, and it's pretty active.

People in this thread being "I didn't like that content therefore you should just get it handed to you for free" might as well go do mindless dailies on a gacha game. I prefer the exploratory zones that actually makes me play the game to get a glam.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

XIV players when they have to play the game

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This so much LMAO

also lol @

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Originally Posted by DisasterGayofCrisis

I mean it's also you can effectively get the amount of tomestones needed in less then five hours as opposed to before where it was a grindfest. For instance I just did the second step of RPR's relic quest on saturday, only 200 short from finishing it now. It's really not that big of a deal. Add in instead of doing something like bozja or eureka this post-expansion they did Island Sanctuary and the various variant dungeon, would you prefer relics tied to those? Would you prefer the entire system be attached to Island Sanctuary?

I don't see the big problem with tying it to doing roulettes. It's honestly the biggest not-problem people decided to make it. Especially if the biggest complaint is just "they're tied to roulettes!!!! this is bad because people have to do content enjoyed by more people!!"

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Roulettes are exactly what yall call "boring mindless content", yet that's okay but not eureka/bozja ? Why ?

Do you actually find roulettes that entertaining ? Please I'm all ears, enlighten me in what way its entertaining, I actually am willing to change my mind, give me a single argument in what way roulettes are entertaining, please.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

This so much LMAO

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Roulettes are exactly what yall call "boring mindless content", yet that's okay but not eureka/bozja ? Why ?

Do you actually find roulettes that entertaining ? Please I'm all ears, enlighten me in what way its entertaining, I actually am willing to change my mind, give me a single argument in what way roulette is entertaining, please.

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I do in fact find roulettes fun. Get to meet new people, the content is fun yet fast, you get a lot of rewards and I can get enough tomestones in a day or two. It's honestly not even grinding it's just doing content. I never said it wasn't ok with Eureka or Bozja but to say it wasn't a grind is just false, especially when we take into consideration of Eureka where it can be sometimes hard to do because it is very much a group activity at the starting levels, otherwise you're just constantly bashing your head against a wall if you can't find anyone to do it with.

Again, it's really not a problem. If you want to do Eureka and Bozja please, go ahead, but nothing is lost by them not tying relic weapons into a exploratory zone. Again, it's the biggest not-problem I've seen people got overly worked up over, especially since tomestones of comedy are only really used for lunar envoy which you can easily outlevel with dungeon gear or Diadochos gear.