SCH new ability idea

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

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What you are saying isn't inaccurate, but it doesn't change the fact that SCH loses access part of it's kit to gain a buff on only 3 skills. And in a perfect world, you could plan out using your skills methodically, but that is rarely the case. Lots of times the planned place for Dissipation, does not line up with Whispering Dawn or Fey Illumination. The skill is just clunky and feels counterintuitive to SCHs overall design. That is why most people want it reworked. SMN never had a move that removed the pet to gain more power; rework aside, why must SCH. The faerie should be more involved, not less.

That's why I always prioritize pet healing cooldowns the most should the need for Dissipation arise, I will not let those abilities sitting there, greyed out for the duration of the downtime. It's a matter of how good you are at maximizing your healing kit.

This is not like Cleric Stance from way back when it literally makes your healing look like a SMN spamming Physick. :D

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Originally Posted by Eloah

What you are saying isn't inaccurate, but it doesn't change the fact that SCH loses access part of it's kit to gain a buff on only 3 skills. And in a perfect world, you could plan out using your skills methodically, but that is rarely the case. Lots of times the planned place for Dissipation, does not line up with Whispering Dawn or Fey Illumination. The skill is just clunky and feels counterintuitive to SCHs overall design. That is why most people want it reworked. SMN never had a move that removed the pet to gain more power; rework aside, why must SCH. The faerie should be more involved, not less.

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Exactly, you lose access to some skills to gain a meaningful buff to other skills, that is exactly how it should work, you shouldn’t get everything for free, that’s basically everything wrong with healers as they currently are

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Originally Posted by Eloah

What you are saying isn't inaccurate, but it doesn't change the fact that SCH loses access part of it's kit to gain a buff on only 3 skills. And in a perfect world, you could plan out using your skills methodically, but that is rarely the case. Lots of times the planned place for Dissipation, does not line up with Whispering Dawn or Fey Illumination. The skill is just clunky and feels counterintuitive to SCHs overall design. That is why most people want it reworked. SMN never had a move that removed the pet to gain more power; rework aside, why must SCH. The faerie should be more involved, not less.

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Dissipation has been a part of SCH design since HW when it was introduced, it's kind of presumptious to claim that it's counterintuitive to SCH's design. SCH is meant to be a tactician, the supposed "clunk" and pre-planning requirement completely fits SCH's design.

If you use Dissipation and somehow you really need to use Whispering Dawn/Union/Illumination/Seraph/Blessing (as in cannot be delayed or wipe occurs) then the problem is your plan, not the button. You have ways to circumvent the limitations, effectively reducing most of the risk with proper planning.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Dissipation has been a part of SCH design since HW when it was introduced, it's kind of presumptious to claim that it's counterintuitive to SCH's design. SCH is meant to be a tactician, the supposed "clunk" and pre-planning requirement completely fits SCH's design.

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People hated it then too. And back then it was even worse as it didn't even resummoning the faerie. That only happened in ShB. The idea behind the skill isn't bad, the execution is just horrible. That's primarily what people want to change.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

People hated it then too. And back then it was even worse as it didn't even resummoning the faerie. That only happened in ShB. The idea behind the skill isn't bad, the execution is just horrible. That's primarily what people want to change.

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Because people back then lack the knowledge to put the ability to good use. Nowadays, this should no longer be an issue. Quite surprising how it is still being argued for rework.

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Originally Posted by rawker

Because people back then lack the knowledge to put the ability to good use. Nowadays, this should no longer be an issue. Quite surprising how it is still being argued for rework.

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That might have been true for non-SCH players, but anyone who played the job, knew what to do.

While I personally would like the skill reworked into something different, that's not the only thing that has to happen. SE just has an idea for the skill and it isn't working out. Kinda like with Monk's old One Ilm Punch skill. The devs tried to "keep" it, but the community kept insisting that the skill is useless. Until, finally, they removed it. SE has several choices, either allow the 20% to apply to SCH's oGCDs, lean into the DPS aspect of the skill, or rework the skill entirely. It's a similar situation to Excog when it first came out, but SE listened to the player feedback and made it work; otherwise it was just another Lustrate on a longer CD, that might not have even proc'd

What would adding the 20% potency to oGCD’s actually achieve

Since dissipation locks you out of the fairy skills dissipation affecting the aetherflow heals would change
-indom from 400 potency to 480 potency
-critdom from ~600 potency to ~720
-excog from 800 potency to 960 potency
-critgog from ~1200 potency to ~1440 potency
-sacred soil from 600 potency to 720 potency
-lustrate from 700 potency to 840 potency

That potency increase is annoying because it’s both disgustingly strong objectively but also If you are relying on said potency increases to survive rather than reorganising your fairy heals so you aren’t caught out during dissipation then you should be reorganising your healing plan

The one consideration I’d maybe make is dissipation not putting your aetherflow heals on CD if you use them under dissipation (so if you want to spend 3 aetherflow stacks on 3 indoms in 15 seconds you can) but even that I think conflicts with the design of the skill

I like how SCH heals and how it leverages its toolkit, and getting rid of the lockouts and choice just takes that away from me so people who have zero interest in how the job plays right now can play it like they play White Mage but this time they have a fairy
I would not have stuck with this game at all if SCH didn't exist, because all of the other healers have insanely boring 1 dimensional healing kits on top of having the most uninteresting DPS rotations imaginable
Why should I have to lose the thing I enjoy and spend a ton of time on so people who don't love it can just find something else to complain about