So no more pet jobs, eh?

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Originally Posted by Davy_M_Jones

What are the issues with Automaton Queen you mean? I keep hearing about these issues, but I can't find a place where they're properly laid out.

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The queen is obnoxious and has to be used in a very specific way to spawn before buffs come out (since it doesn't snapshot raidbuffs, only snapshots your raw stats but with different mainstat modifier, but not resurrection sickness, but it does dynamically update tincture, but not dragon sight, but also not racial stats for some reason, and also not party buff, but it does dynamically update damage down debuffs) and has a stupidly long activation animation, and even though it's under control right now it's very clear it's on the edge of being a broken mess, it also punishes any type of freeplay severely and requires extensive planning for proper use.
You also get none of the benefits of a traditional pet, only negatives. It basically exists in another dimensional realm, no different from dragging a little window with a .gif of a robot spinning and punching invisible monsters on top of the client.
I honestly cannot think of any mmo with good pet AI when involving any type of end-game activity that doesn't involve cheesing, but I do understand the appeal and it's incredibly sad they lobotomized SMN and screwed all those real pet fans for absolutely no good reason, maybe beastmaster will serve as a good testing platform to improve the pet behavior and then it can be applied to full jobs.

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Originally Posted by Palladiamors

First, don't be smarmy, you know darn well reaper isn't a pet.

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That's my exactly my point. The best pet isn't a pet, it's only the visual of it.
XIV had many pet issues, because they're not as janky doesn't mean they should be left like this.

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Originally Posted by Palladiamors

Finally, do NOT tell other people what they do or do not want.

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Right back at you, don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do.

Look, people will both complain about Shoha II being unnecessary and button bloat while also asking for AoE variants.
I'm merely pointing out the possible problems and why things changed.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

That's my exactly my point. The best pet isn't a pet, it's only the visual of it.
XIV had many pet issues, because they're not as janky doesn't mean they should be left like this.



Right back at you, don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do.

Look, people will both complain about Shoha II being unnecessary and button bloat while also asking for AoE variants.
I'm merely pointing out the possible problems and why things changed.

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Then why do you keep saying the best pet is not a pet ? You're literally trolling people who want a real pet.

Honestly I never understood why they felt the need to take away the "pets". As a Mch main I miss the old turrets, and carbuncle/summons and fairies actually doing something in combat. The 'pet' jobs had a good pet system in place and it always feels like they are trying to "make pets work" and come up with a new fun way of doing it. We dont need a new wheel, just give us the old one that looks shiny. They already have a system they could model it after and sometimes I wonder if they forget that. Just adapt the chocobo companion system, use it as frame work and bam new pet class.

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Originally Posted by Teno

Then why do you keep saying the best pet is not a pet ? You're literally trolling people who want a real pet.

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Because that's not a troll.
We first have to define a "pet" before talking about a "real pet".

Depending on your definition, the Avatar can fit as a pet. In some other definitions, only the Chocobo companions would count as a pet.

It sounds like a troll to you, because it doesn't fit the definition you have in mind.

If they make consolation cast off eos rather than dealing with the summoning of seraph then SCH would be perfect in how it executes a pet job

The problem with the two jobs that are actually pet jobs (and not extra entities that cause damage that the forbidden tools count as pets like star, dark passenger and automaton queen) is squares insistence on demi summoning and how it cancels the current pets action queue (even though the caster has already put the ability on CD)

The changes to the fairy coding in EW shows they can make pet jobs work, they just need to stop with Demi summoning

It could also go Dalriada's Lyon way : you call a beast and mount them ; that way it's still you that control the position aspect (most important thing in 14's fight designs)
That probably means it would be horrid visual clutter with 8 people riding behemots ; that would also kinda play like rival wings I guess

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Because that's not a troll.
We first have to define a "pet" before talking about a "real pet".

Depending on your definition, the Avatar can fit as a pet. In some other definitions, only the Chocobo companions would count as a pet.

It sounds like a troll to you, because it doesn't fit the definition you have in mind.

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I'm not the one stating "reaper's pet is best pet" as if it's a truth. And the definition "I" have in mind is just to put it in perspective relative to what you said. Still, it's the definition that's on the mind of most people thinking pets but yours. Ie, giving commands and interacting with the pet, not just in a purely tacked on visual way.

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Originally Posted by WiccaP

Honestly I never understood why they felt the need to take away the "pets". As a Mch main I miss the old turrets, and carbuncle/summons and fairies actually doing something in combat. The 'pet' jobs had a good pet system in place and it always feels like they are trying to "make pets work" and come up with a new fun way of doing it. We dont need a new wheel, just give us the old one that looks shiny. They already have a system they could model it after and sometimes I wonder if they forget that. Just adapt the chocobo companion system, use it as frame work and bam new pet class.

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Not to mention that the devs have already explored into putting more UI elements in the form of gauges, why not improve on the pet hotbar to properly segregate the abilities from behaviors and then have a more visual way in reflecting which behavior it is currently on.. Also, increasing the movement speed of all pets makes it so they feel more responsive. Giving it also a rather huge HP pool or a beefy always-on mitigation is added flavor that will tell players that these entities are not to be set and left alone. For upkeep, they can make Summon Pet be replaced by Sustain to prevent bloat. People saying it is unnecessary all while keeping up with AST cards system is just hypocritical, in my opinion.

While I'd wish the battlesystem had more facets like actual pets as singular entities on the field, I think you're setting your hopes very high if you're coping for some. I think this ship has sailed because they removed them, or the only base they could have improved and worked upon. So far, the only three instances where i've seen old deleted things reappear are:

- Eureka/Bozja with reflavored actions like Protect, Cleric, etc.
- 6.0 MNK rework, bringing back things like Steel Peak and Howling Fists.
- 6.1 pvp rework, bringing back or reflavoring things like Seraph Strike (cleric), Kaiten (just a side buff but well), bishop autoturret, etc.

As you can see, it's not a whole gameplay system, just the odd skill here and there.