PVP: Should Frontlines and Rival Wings just be merged

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Originally Posted by AstreaTrinity

insane ramblings:

Make Frontlines 1 team vs 1 team like rival wings and add the 2 wings maps to the fronline rotation / roulette

Yay / Nay

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It's super subjective, but I say Yay, on the condition that FL either gets changed to two teams, or keeps the 3-team mode, and gets an alternate 2-team mode. Frontlines' biggest flaws objectively stem from two major factors: the player count, and the rng-based objectives. Rival Wings ironically fixed all of Frontlines' problems. It doesn't have tick-rate issues caused by too many players fusterclucking in one spot, it doesn't have the annoying damage reduction modifiers set in place because of said player count, and the objectives being static and consistent mean every player always knows where they're needed at all times, and teams can split as necessary to tackle different objectives.

If not merging the two, I'd at least like to see a shift in focus for Frontlines design towards just two teams, because at least then it'll fix a lot of the technical annoyance of the mode.

The game mode is just basically never played barring dedicated groups on specific days of the week.

Which is a shame because it's way more fun than frontlines.


They need a rival wings daily. I'm still baffled they took the time to fix it after the PvP update then give no incentive for people to do it.

Make Frontlines 1 team vs 1 team like rival wings (NO) and add the 2 wings maps to the fronline rotation / roulette (NO)


What I would like however is to have a second map added to RW, that's long overdue, and no, I used to want a roulette for RW, however I don't think it would work out well given that you need more knowledge (mechs, trains, etc) than FL.

Rival wings is wretched, so no. But they should give rival wings it's own roulette so people who like it can maybe do it outside of community event time.

I'd love it if RW got its own roulette, but I also wouldn't mind if they just added it to the FL roulette rotation. It would be better than having RW be in its current state.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

What I would like however is to have a second map added to RW, that's long overdue, and no, I used to want a roulette for RW, however I don't think it would work out well given that you need more knowledge (mechs, trains, etc) than FL.

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How would the lack of a roulette have anything to do with teaching players about the mechanics of a game mode? Players don't learn if they can't even play the mode to begin with, and a second map wouldn't mean much when RW is already on community life-support.

That small part of me that's still invested in PvP hopes and wishes these """changes""" in Dawntrail will be them shifting Frontlines into a two-team design with more focused objectives, and that's exactly what Rival Wings already is and does well.

Nope
Rival wings should be its own roulette

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

It's super subjective, but I say Yay, on the condition that FL either gets changed to two teams, or keeps the 3-team mode, and gets an alternate 2-team mode. Frontlines' biggest flaws objectively stem from two major factors: the player count, and the rng-based objectives.

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I disagree with that. The impact of placement of objectives is minimal. The biggest rng factor is who you end up with. What negatively affects a team is a number of things such as bad group strategy, running into obvious pinches, focusing the wrong objectives, ignoring how points work, moving too slowly, not knowing when to push and when to move out, people running like chickens with their heads chopped off (or not moving at all), not knowing how to counter some abilities or use their kits properly, not caring, etc.

With 3 groups the strategy is different than with 2 groups and there are a number of factors that have to be taken into account, including the weaknesses and strengths of a group.

Give Rival Wings it's own Roulette.

Reduce the amount of players in FL from 24 per team to something like 15, with 3 x 5 player teams per faction to make the AoE buffs etc. work in line of CC balance. Remove Damage Reduction or lower it below RW levels.

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

How would the lack of a roulette have anything to do with teaching players about the mechanics of a game mode? Players don't learn if they can't even play the mode to begin with, and a second map wouldn't mean much when RW is already on community life-support.

That small part of me that's still invested in PvP hopes and wishes these """changes""" in Dawntrail will be them shifting Frontlines into a two-team design with more focused objectives, and that's exactly what Rival Wings already is and does well.

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I understand why you're asking that, and this is how I used to think as well. in used to really be a promoter of adding RW to a roulette, until I saw, over the years, just how many people either AFKed, fed, did the bare minimum, ignored objectives, and couldn't care about winning in FL.

The people that do RW now want to do it. They may not win but they'll usually try to do so. There may even be the odd person who will have a macro to explain how RW works, and (most) people will actually listen.

So, I find RW quite accessible now- if it did go to a a roulette then I would want it to give no exp, no glam, nor game currency (i.e. tomestones). Maybe a token, very small amount of gil and a title for "x" amount of wins.