Manderville Relic Criticism

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Most relics have an easy "victory lap" as the last step. Wonder what they're going to do with this

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why would they change it, every stage has been a victory lap.

Depressing but expected.

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Originally Posted by Post

Counterpoint, I love that I can choose to grind tomes in whatever I want instead of their narrow prescribed list of new thing I may hate or specific old content.

Especially in a game of now 19 jobs. Relics can much more easily be accessed for players interested in gearing alternate jobs for current content.

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Anima weapon pretty much did that, most of it was poetics.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Man, remember when people were saying it'd just be the first step that was like this and we were all delusional if we thought steps 2 and 3 would be tomes as well?
Haha
Man

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Even the first step of Bozja had a solo instance and a pseudo-trial attached to it. Even if we're only comparing first steps of relics, this is a new low.

First steps of ARR: Multiple steps were released in the patch, even in the first step we got two trials
First steps of HW: 3 steps were released in the first patch. They reused old content (FATEs, dungeons, hunts, GC seals, crafting, tomes) but it was a significantly longer grind and it also had far more variety.
First step of SB: Anemos, which is an entire exploratory zone.
First step of ShB: A solo instance, a trial, and even an EX trial
First step of EW: 1500 tomes...

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Originally Posted by TheNight

Anima weapon pretty much did that, most of it was poetics.

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You were not doing multiple anima relics when they were current

Few people even got the relic on the patch it was launched the grinds used to be that long

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Most relics have an easy "victory lap" as the last step. Wonder what they're going to do with this

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You get it in a mogmail when 6.55 drops. At this point, I don't even know how much satire that actually is.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

The past few expansions, we’ve had quests and lengthy areas to play in to obtain relics - whether it be ARR/HW Crafting, SB Eureka, ShB Bozja, or any of the steps that involve replaying old content - it’s nowhere to be found with this relic. All it is is a glorified Tomestone grind. 4500 Tomestone and you have your relic for the expansion.

At the very least, I expected SOME modicum of effort to be put into this final step, but woe is the man who expects anything from the past two HILDIBRAND patches. Yes, they can be funny and you have to go through a lot of old stuff - but it isn’t that long in comparison to other relics.

For 7.0 relic, they need to bring back the grind.

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If you boil down the old system (grinding old content) it's pretty much the same system we have now. Let's dispense with all pretenses here, both systems were in effect tomestone grinds. The difference here is that instead of forcing you to do 60 Garuda HMs or A1s, you can farm ANY content that gives tomes, giving you the freedom to farm your relic in any method. Again, old content for previous relics were technically things that would be relative to that expansion that dropped basic tomes. Like in HW, you had to do HW content to get Light, so you would spam content for it. Here, you are still farming EW duties except instead of another currency called "light", its just a general currency called tomes. it's literally an improvement. Same grind, just now a common currency and freedom to do any relevant content instead of being forced into spamming 60 Zodiarks or 60 Hydaelyns.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You were not doing multiple anima relics when they were current

Few people even got the relic on the patch it was launched the grinds used to be that long

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So?

Do people just want welfare handouts now?

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

If you boil down the old system (grinding old content) it's pretty much the same system we have now. Let's dispense with all pretenses here, both systems were in effect tomestone grinds. The difference here is that instead of forcing you to do 60 Garuda HMs or A1s, you can farm ANY content that gives tomes, giving you the freedom to farm your relic in any method. Again, old content for previous relics were technically things that would be relative to that expansion that dropped basic tomes. Like in HW, you had to do HW content to get Light, so you would spam content for it. Here, you are still farming EW duties except instead of another currency called "light", its just a general currency called tomes. it's literally an improvement. Same grind, just now a common currency and freedom to do any relevant content instead of being forced into spamming 60 Zodiarks or 60 Hydaelyns.

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Only one step in HW had light, and actually it was very feasible to get light by doing content every day without grinding A1S or A9S.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

If you boil down the old system (grinding old content) it's pretty much the same system we have now. Let's dispense with all pretenses here, both systems were in effect tomestone grinds. The difference here is that instead of forcing you to do 60 Garuda HMs or A1s, you can farm ANY content that gives tomes, giving you the freedom to farm your relic in any method. Again, old content for previous relics were technically things that would be relative to that expansion that dropped basic tomes. Like in HW, you had to do HW content to get Light, so you would spam content for it. Here, you are still farming EW duties except instead of another currency called "light", its just a general currency called tomes. it's literally an improvement. Same grind, just now a common currency and freedom to do any relevant content instead of being forced into spamming 60 Zodiarks or 60 Hydaelyns.

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I respectfully disagree. While there were times when you had to gather tomes - in the SB and ARR relics you needed to engage in a range of activities including maps, fates, trials and even Raids.

I think one thing most players overlook with the new system:

Old relic grinds are considered 'content' in later expansions, what will the Manderville relics be, when everyone has them finished before 7.0 because they are an absolute joke?

What is Endwalker leaving behind in terms of 'replayable content' that people will do in later years?