Why does War need to be the highest dps tank again?

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

When it already has so much else going?
Shortest invuln cooldown, Double cc resist, best (Ogcd) self healing, good mit, simplest, most consistent damage rotation and the most forgiving melding. Since they decided to bring it's damage up to beyond all the others, how about we start taking some things away to actually make it balanced?

War doesn't need to be the best at everything.
I don't want to feel forced to play this boring ass job.

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That I agree at 100% because I used to love WAR when it was just a tank like every other in Shadowbringer but not playing it anymore I feel like a coward

To be fair dark knight shouldn't have been top dps and top defence either. Maybe the shadowbringers hierarchy was better?

E: gnb takes the lead in the normal raids too, which is probably more representative given there's 4 of them and only 1 extreme which also has gnb at the top.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...pdps&boss=1069

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Serious question, but why do people bother using fflogs for deciding job tier rankings?

Can't some of the big brain math wizards calc out the highest realistic possible dps for each class? Logs are going to have issues with stat padders, people with different team comps, some people underperforming and just general inconsistencies.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Serious question, but why do people bother using fflogs for deciding job tier rankings?

Can't some of the big brain math wizards calc out the highest realistic possible dps for each class? Logs are going to have issues with stat padders, people with different team comps, some people underperforming and just general inconsistencies.

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I'd assume part of the problem is that the big brain math wizards can't calc what's realistically possible, only what's theoretically possible.
It takes actually doing the fight to see what particular nuances of the fight design mean for the highest possible dps.

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

I'd assume part of the problem is that the big brain math wizards can't calc what's realistically possible, only what's theoretically possible.
It takes actually doing the fight to see what particular nuances of the fight design mean for the highest possible dps.

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what's theoretically possible is what's realistically possible in many, many fights because so many fights are literal dummies

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Serious question, but why do people bother using fflogs for deciding job tier rankings?

Can't some of the big brain math wizards calc out the highest realistic possible dps for each class? Logs are going to have issues with stat padders, people with different team comps, some people underperforming and just general inconsistencies.

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how are you going to pad tank other than just playing well.....

There was that decimate spam on zodiark's balls to get a bit more damage iirc. I might not rc, it's been a while.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

what's theoretically possible is what's realistically possible in many, many fights because so many fights are literal dummies

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I'd argue that comes later when uptime strats are developed. Then the math bods will have an easier time of it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the devs had favourite jobs they want to be the best job. We already know Yoshi-P plays BLM but I bet there's someone on the dev team who plays WAR and SAM too which is why those jobs always have to be the best no matter what.

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

I wouldn't be surprised if the devs had favourite jobs they want to be the best job. We already know Yoshi-P plays BLM but I bet there's someone on the dev team who plays WAR and SAM too which is why those jobs always have to be the best no matter what.

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I can assure you, no dev mains SAM.

https://i.imgur.com/qkp2Jkk.png

But no, all 3 of your examples are definitely not "always the best". WAR has been on the bottom DPS-wise with PLD since EW started, SAM is least played melee in TOP, while BLM is least played caster there and so on. Only job that is always the best is NIN and maybe DNC, but that's only because BRD and MCH are such a joke that DNC looks good in comparison.

Hey as a WAR main I'm happy! Ever since they butchered their second rotation and stance dancing, at least we're getting more damage in return.

I mean it wasn't boring-ass before, it was legitimately fun. Then Gunbreaker came out and now we get this. Same thing for DRK, really miss their SB rotations.