What Forge Ahead Actually Means

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Hard to say, though any game where you spend most of it accomplishing nothing and/or helping the antagonists (*cough* FF4&9) will lose points. It's not just the story anyway.

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If you got nothing then your opinion means nothing.

At least those games are much better experiences than this one

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

IDK about Plague Tale, but FF9 is a complete basket case of a game, as is its fanbase. Nobody shed tears over the fat clown.

The impact of those two moments in FF15 is somewhat lessened by being able to freely go back and replay portions of the game before they occurred.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

If you got nothing then your opinion means nothing.

At least those games are much better experiences than this one

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If anyone's opinion "means nothing", it would be that of a rabid FF9 fanboy. Placing the game above FF7~FF15, much less FF14 on its own forum, is laughably audacious.

If you want to say people should die in stories sometimes, fine.

But the point of the scion "deaths" in Endwalker was to manipulate our feelings so we would feel despair. Because let's be honest, a lot of people will not feel the way the story writers want them to, unless they do something drastic. They want players to feel despair and the truth is we went to that place feeling hopeful and excited to kill the next boss. The only way to make us actually feel despair was to kill characters we have an attachment to and make it feel that even if we kill the boss, what is it for? We've lost everyone.

The point of Y'shtola hinting they could be resurrected was to create a light at the end of the tunnel, a spark of hope that they might survive now that you've made a lot of progress through this land.

The point of reviving them all was to restore your happiness and make it feel that you got through this land of despair successfully and now you just need to finish the job.

I don't know what your attachment is to Forge Ahead. You keep talking about it, but it's just a meaningless term that I doubt they thought about any more than I did, which was not much.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

If anyone's opinion "means nothing", it would be that of a rabid FF9 fanboy. Placing the game above FF7~FF15, much less FF14 on its own forum, is laughably audacious.

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Buddy if you think that narrative mess of a game with FFXV is actually worth defending then you are out of touch.

It seems youve somewhat given me an answer though since you range specifically FFVII- FFXV?

Is this thread going to turn into another warzone between Zodiark Trancers and /mmog/

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

But the point of the scion "deaths" in Endwalker was to manipulate our feelings so we would feel despair. Because let's be honest, a lot of people will not feel the way the story writers want them to, unless they do something drastic. They want players to feel despair and the truth is we went to that place feeling hopeful and excited to kill the next boss. The only way to make us actually feel despair was to kill characters we have an attachment to and make it feel that even if we kill the boss, what is it for? We've lost everyone.

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LMAO FEELING DESPAIR WHEN EVERYONE KNOWS SQEX WILL JUST RESURRECT ALL THE SCIONS 10 MINS LATER.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Buddy if you think that narrative mess of a game with FFXV is actually worth defending then you are out of touch.

It seems youve somewhat given me an answer though since you range specifically FFVII- FFXV?

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It's just amusing how FFXV is the only game you've chosen to put down and haven't even elaborated on why, while claiming I "have nothing" after already stating one annoying flaw and are "out of touch" after you took a controversial stance. It's no surprise which game in that range sold the worst.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

It's just amusing how FFXV is the only game you've chosen to put down and haven't even elaborated on why, while claiming I "have nothing" after already stating one annoying flaw and are "out of touch" after you took a controversial stance. It's no surprise which game in that range sold the worst.

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One of your first arguments was that you called out how the protagonists inadvertenly helped the antagonist so therefore its bad.

This is rich, its almost as if youre just so beyond clueless. Do you not realize 70 percent of FFVII's plot was you being manipulated by Sephiroth? Or how incompetent Squall and his team were in almost every single SeeD mission in FFVIII? Or how pointless Vaan was in FFXII or how stupid and hateable the cast was in FFXIII?

If anyone with the controversial take here is you for saying that FFXIV and these games are above FFIX (which wasnt perfect anyway and had just as many Ls as these games).

Well, since we're talking about the Scions again...

I'll admit that there's a weird impassivity I feel whenever the Scions appear on-screen in post-EW.

I started feeling it during EW (earlier with Thancred, who I feel concluded his most compelling arc in ShB), but it's definitely apparent now.

Estinien is my bro, though, so I was genuinely excited to start adventuring with him again.