Scholar Please Fix

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Originally Posted by Osmond

Again with the same argument. It’s getting old, we’re not getting more DPS buttons, it’s not going to happen. I would rather give SCH more DPS buffs other than chain stratagem than more oGCD/DPS tools. Would rather give that to SGE instead. So if you want more DPS, SGE is there, PLAY IT!

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DPS buffs are boring, and SCH had more DPS buttons in the past than SGE has now. It's more of SCH identity than SGE's. If you want more DPS buffs, AST is there, PLAY IT!

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

DPS buffs are boring, and SCH had more DPS buttons in the past than SGE has now. It's more of SCH identity than SGE's. If you want more DPS buffs, AST is there, PLAY IT!

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See! He gets it!

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Originally Posted by Elucesta

Scholar doesn't need everything sage does. God forbid we have some differences in healers lol, sage has all of that mitigation because its a mitigation/regen healer. Its shields are weak, scholar has potent shields/regens. The both have their strengths and weaknesses, if you want more mitigation play sage. I'm just against 1 class having something just because the other class has it. Its seem like a take thats based on fear of exclusion imo

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Firstly, saying 'SGE is a mitigation/regen healer' when SE split the healers into Pure and Barrier, means that the split is a failure designwise. We all knew that though.

But besides that, Succor is 200p, 160% shield (total of 320p shielding), E.Prognosis is 100p, 320% shield (so, again 320p). Similarly, both Adlo and E.Diagnosis are 300/180%, (540p total shield), with the 'if you crit you apply a second copy of the shield'. The only real 'stronger shields' argument that can be made is Deployment Tactics, but you can kinda mimic that by using Zoe on E.Prognosis (bumping it to 150/320%, totalling 480p). I guess you can purposely hold Recitation for a crit Adlo, but then you deprive yourself of eg Recit-Indom. Meanwhile for OGCD shielding options, SCH has Consolation (2x200p) and... oh, that's it actually, huh weird. SGE has Holos (300p), Haima (5x300p, ST), Panhaima (5x200p, AOE). If you think SGE doesn't have 'strong shields', you can make up for it by the fact it has twice as many OGCD shield options to use for AOE

And what 'potent regens' does SCH have that SGE doesn't? W.Dawn is 560 over it's duration, Physis is 650, in a shorter duration, and has the 10% heal boost. Meanwhile, Kera and Soil are both 100p per tick, for the same duration. Are we really going to nitpick and give the win to SCH because of the 'ground-effect instant tick' phenomenon? Or is it entirely down to Fey Union?

We do need the healers to feel different. But when the tools are so similar, the comparisons are blindingly easy to make on a tool-by-tool basis, and it seems SGE comes out slightly ahead on most things. At this point, SCH seems (to me at least) to have only one advantage: you can heal without being nearby, using the fairy skills. But that counts for very little when the other healer is usually forced to go to the side where 'you can't reach as SGE' so they can handle it. Like, wow, you can heal the opposite side in Ruby Light 5 as SCH but not as SGE. But it's not an issue, because your cohealer's over there anyway.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

Again with the same argument. It’s getting old, we’re not getting more DPS buttons, it’s not going to happen. I would rather give SCH more DPS buffs other than chain stratagem than more oGCD/DPS tools. Would rather give that to SGE instead. So if you want more DPS, SGE is there, PLAY IT!

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When the expansion was announced, and we got the info that we'd have the Pure/Barrier split, my first thought was something like this:

WHM - Burst healing
AST - HOT/delay focused healing
SCH - mitigates by buffing allies eg. Soil, Expedient, Eye4Eye, Fey Illumination
SGE - mitigates by debuffing enemies via attacks, eg Virus, Disable

Instead we got SCH 2: Slightly less jank edition.

Are you all seriously trying to do this? Basically trying to argue why one healer may have a tool another doesn't? SCH is fine, is a mountain made from a molehill, I used to main that class before I went to SGE. Both classes are good, SCH is still supreme with AST in comp for high end duties for a reason. Why is this a thing lol

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Originally Posted by Elucesta

Are you all seriously trying to do this? Basically trying to argue why one healer may have a tool another doesn't? SCH is fine, is a mountain made from a molehill, I used to main that class before I went to SGE. Both classes are good, SCH is still supreme with AST in comp for high end duties for a reason. Why is this a thing lol

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Because high end duties aren't the only thing that matters and for the sizeable chunk of players SGE is better than SCH in almost every conceivable way while completely negating the fairy clunkiness.

SCH is clearable and underestimated in high end duties. It just no one knows how to play the job so ppl demand changes when it doesn't need to. Only thing SCH needs is an adjustment on certain abilities.....well another addon of a existing ability and it doesn't really need much.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

SCH is clearable and underestimated in high end duties. It just no one knows how to play the job so ppl demand changes when it doesn't need to. Only thing SCH needs is an adjustment on certain abilities.....well another addon of a existing ability and it doesn't really need much.

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People know how to play scholar, especially after it has been dumbed down. It's not some extremely technical healer job that is more complicated than the other 3. In higher end content, most healers have their abilities planned out to the fight, SCH is no different.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

People know how to play scholar, especially after it has been dumbed down. It's not some extremely technical healer job that is more complicated than the other 3. In higher end content, most healers have their abilities planned out to the fight, SCH is no different.

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That’s natural after many wipes. Seeing the comparison between SCH & SGE. I can see why ppl favor SGE due to an easier learning curve……..and it’s too forgiving.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

That’s natural after many wipes. Seeing the comparison between SCH & SGE. I can see why ppl favor SGE due to an easier learning curve……..and it’s too forgiving.

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It's less of a learning curve and more of SGE has everything (sans expedient) that SCH has without the clunkiness of the fairy.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Because high end duties aren't the only thing that matters and for the sizeable chunk of players SGE is better than SCH in almost every conceivable way while completely negating the fairy clunkiness.

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Watch out there friend you dont wanna get the angry schs main torches throw at you(but agreed with you 100%) I give big shields as a sge np. so this whole sch shield stronger thing is lol, i tested both and barely does crit spread alco win vs a holos+zoe progronis combo and isnt from what I saw in a post whm/sage is the best combos