Something should be done for players that love a challenge in Alliance Raids.

To be fair, alliance raid are not afraid to kill or 1-shot you. SE gets away with this level of difficulty because they know all the healers, red mages and summoners will rez them constantly. Otherwise alliances raids would not be nearly as deadly as they are.

There is also the minimum item level option. When I did ARR alliance raids with that setting, we were able to tackle it in discord like high-end content and the mechanics were actually that punishing and needed us to tank swap because of lack of cooldowns. You would never expect all this with how transformed it is when you get them synced-but-not-really-synced in roulettes.

I don't know if the ones from expansions would feel quite like high end content doing them MINE, but I know most of them are capable of leaving bodies everywhere in their release state.

It's been pointed out already, but we had BA, CLL, DR, DR Savage and Dalriada. Although you can regard CLL, DR and Dalriada as casual content, CLL required a solid group to do a key part of it. CLL and Dalriada were hard enough that there were regularly full wipes to some of the fights, especially CLL. It's fair to say that SE experimented with this idea of large-scale raids. What does them having not continued it this expansion tell us? Maybe they just couldn't think of a way to do it without the relic areas, or maybe they regret doing it.

I'll never understand why we can't have a min ilvl roulette for [stuff]. It's already in the game, basically, could be a nice alternative to all the easy mode roulettes and it would be (!)optional(!).

Personally I'd like to see Extreme versions of the Alliance raids with a flexible group size (12-24 man for example) where the bosses scale depending on the number of players. It would open the door for FC raiding, which would be a lot of fun. The current rigid 8 man Savage structure is just not suited for FC groups.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

That's basically what BA, CLL, Dalriada and DR were. DR even has a Savage version.

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True, but all of those are gated behind grindy stuff that lots of people don't even do. And for the harder ones like BA/DRS, you're expected to use outside resources like discord to even get into a group.
It'd be nice if, much like EX/Savage content for other things, you could simply unlock retweaked/harder versions of existing alliance raid content and then do it without trudging through like 60 hours of FATE grinds or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

There is also the minimum item level option. When I did ARR alliance raids with that setting, we were able to tackle it in discord like high-end content and the mechanics were actually that punishing and needed us to tank swap because of lack of cooldowns.

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Love doing these, but they're hard to put together since you need to basically create a full group of 24 in the partyfinder to make it happen and most people see 0 reason to join up for that outside of niche groups.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

To be fair, alliance raid are not afraid to kill or 1-shot you. SE gets away with this level of difficulty because they know all the healers, red mages and summoners will rez them constantly. Otherwise alliances raids would not be nearly as deadly as they are.

There is also the minimum item level option. When I did ARR alliance raids with that setting, we were able to tackle it in discord like high-end content and the mechanics were actually that punishing and needed us to tank swap because of lack of cooldowns. You would never expect all this with how transformed it is when you get them synced-but-not-really-synced in roulettes.

I don't know if the ones from expansions would feel quite like high end content doing them MINE, but I know most of them are capable of leaving bodies everywhere in their release state.

It's been pointed out already, but we had BA, CLL, DR, DR Savage and Dalriada. Although you can regard CLL, DR and Dalriada as casual content, CLL required a solid group to do a key part of it. CLL and Dalriada were hard enough that there were regularly full wipes to some of the fights, especially CLL. It's fair to say that SE experimented with this idea of large-scale raids. What does them having not continued it this expansion tell us? Maybe they just couldn't think of a way to do it without the relic areas, or maybe they regret doing it.

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Yes many alliance raids have one shots and wipes are not exactly something unheard of either. The key difference between that and harder content in the game however is having DPS checks. Many times alliance raids can be recovered from near wipes multiple times and develope into drawn out struggles. A hard enrage puts a stop to that. CLL has that (I think on every boss?), Delubrum only has a hard enrage on the chess pieces fight. Interestingly the new alliance raid does have an enrage timer on the twin fight but only as long as they are both alive.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Yes many alliance raids have one shots and wipes are not exactly something unheard of either. The key difference between that and harder content in the game however is having DPS checks. Many times alliance raids can be recovered from near wipes multiple times and develope into drawn out struggles. A hard enrage puts a stop to that. CLL has that (I think on every boss?), Delubrum only has a hard enrage on the chess pieces fight. Interestingly the new alliance raid does have an enrage timer on the twin fight but only as long as they are both alive.

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I believe Halone has a rage timer too.

Could make 4-man version of alliance raids to make them tougher.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Could make 4-man version of alliance raids to make them tougher.

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That would actually be easier. The biggest danger in alliances is always the other players running around like headless chickens with their AOE markers or stack line markers.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

True, but all of those are gated behind grindy stuff that lots of people don't even do.

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Speak for yourself. I see Zadnor full almost every week and I pitch in to help people Dalriada when I feel like it.

It wouldn't be easier it be the same difficulty but instead of having 8 per party you would have 4.