Ungendered sit poses, please?

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Originally Posted by Dy-Nasty

I think having unlocked poses is a good next step as they head toward unlocking clothes for everyone. Having different poses just unlocks the potential for players to immerse themselves further in how they characterize the character they have created. I don't see any issues with having different sit poses or even having the option to interchange gender locked poses between idle stances and such. I personally would think it would be interesting to see this since there's no real reason to have them gender locked!

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I mean there is, they're poses designed specifically for those genders to look good with the model type and to make different gendered characters feels different, while giving each somethign unique.
You don't need to have access to everything if there's an equal but different selection for each race and gender. It's something that makes the races and genders in this game feel different and unique if they all have something different to offer.

In the same way that different races have different animations, different genders have different idle poses. Having subtle differences is good and makes having a male vs female character feel different in this game, just like playing a miqo vs playing a hyur feels different based on their different animations.

It's very curious though how these posts are always people who play female aura, miqo, or hyur demanding the male animations, glam, etc because they want all of the options. If you can wear rabbit ears on your character, have access to all the glams I have, have my animations and poses, what makes my character anything but an inferior version of yours?
Why even play certain races if they're just an inferior version of something else?

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

It's very curious though how these posts are always people who play female aura, miqo, or hyur demanding the male animations, glam, etc because they want all of the options.

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It's also very curious how you keep repeating this "observation" even in a thread like the one the other day, right between multiple posts from male characters hoping for female glamour.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I mean there is, they're poses designed specifically for those genders to look good with the model type and to make different gendered characters feels different, while giving each somethign unique.
You don't need to have access to everything if there's an equal but different selection for each race and gender. It's something that makes the races and genders in this game feel different and unique if they all have something different to offer.

In the same way that different races have different animations, different genders have different idle poses. Having subtle differences is good and makes having a male vs female character feel different in this game, just like playing a miqo vs playing a hyur feels different based on their different animations.

It's very curious though how these posts are always people who play female aura, miqo, or hyur demanding the male animations, glam, etc because they want all of the options. If you can wear rabbit ears on your character, have access to all the glams I have, have my animations and poses, what makes my character anything but an inferior version of yours?
Why even play certain races if they're just an inferior version of something else?

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Then you really do not understand the frustration of playing a female character who doesn't act feminine at all. We go for the designs, don't know about the animation quirks, and then everything feels weird when you're someone who runs around in masculine clothing and armor but you sit like a cutesy anime character. And it's not the same to play as a male character because again, clothing doesn't fit right or some stuff is locked.
There's nothing wrong with asking for more diversity in presentation for characters. This stuff should not be race or gender locked because it feels like turning personality into a racial trait, because each race and gender combo has a completely different feel to it than what you may be working with. I'm not bothered by the femra run, but I know some people would want it more feminine like female middies. Plenty of people like how cutesy femra are, but I know I would sure prefer the female highlander or roegadyn emotes.

Square has universal animations to begin with and the existence of Zero and her animations proves it is possible. I would just like those options - that you, again, do not have to use - available for people like myself who are looking for a bit of variety in how their characters present because it frankly goes beyond sitting poses, but this would be a good place to start.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's also very curious how you keep repeating this "observation" even in a thread like the one the other day, right between multiple posts from male characters hoping for female glamour.

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I don't know it still seems to hold up aside from a few forum trolls, the overwhelming demand seems to come from female characters wanting male glams and animations.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I'm not under the wrong impression. I know you're asking for more options, and not replacement. I'm merely expressing my opinion that females manspreading is disgusting, and I don't want my character doing it.

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Meanwhile females already manspreading when they use Fat Chocobo or Ozma mount :)

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Meanwhile females already manspreading when they use Fat Chocobo or Ozma mount :)

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Neither of those are manspread poses, and for females it is actually quite feminine to be in this position. Underwear is also completely concealed as would not be the case if a female avatar manspreads while wearing one of the game's many skirts. Please grow up.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

How does supporting femininity make me a misogynist? Do you even know what this word means? Clearly you do not, and love to use buzz words instead of thinking for yourself.

I am expressing an opinion, and if you want to spend time on the internet, I would highly suggest learning to deal that there are people who not only do not support your views, but outright oppose them.

Stop making mountains out of molehills. Also learn that constructive feedback =/= only feedback that agrees with the OP. I happen to like to sit. I usually do it when I AFK for a bio break, to grab a drink, or when I am putting together a gathering list for a crafting session. Why should I lose this because some players want their female characters to behave like dudes, while the option exists for you to just select a male avatar?

The lot of you need to realize that not everyone is on board the agenda to abolish gender norms, especially when it comes to development time in FFXIV. I would sooner have them unlock the cposes that are exclusive to other races, but I don't really support that either.

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W o w. Had a feeling this was going to come out at some point, but so quickly is a surprise. Newsflash: no one is saying remove the feminine stuff, and besides, the reinforcement of gendernorms is antifeminist in its essence. But that's not what the point of this is.

We are asking for more options for presentation that you do not have to engage in. And if it's such an issue, the cpose roulette could be changed to match the minion one where you choose what gets included.

We are literally asking for options that you do not need to participate in. Keep your feminine highlander, this isn't about you this is about people who actually want this implemented for their own sake and comfort.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Neither of those are manspread poses, and for females it is actually quite feminine to be in this position. Underwear is also completely concealed as would not be the case if a female avatar manspreads while wearing one of the game's many skirts. Please grow up.

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You do realize that players who want this have characters that often wear pants right? Like, this isn't miniskirt wearers asking for manspreading.

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Originally Posted by crystallineAbyss

W o w. Had a feeling this was going to come out at some point, but so quickly is a surprise. Newsflash: no one is saying remove the feminine stuff, and besides, the reinforcement of gendernorms is antifeminist in its essence. But that's not what the point of this is.

We are asking for more options for presentation that you do not have to engage in. And if it's such an issue, the cpose roulette could be changed to match the minion one where you choose what gets included.

We are literally asking for options that you do not need to participate in. Keep your feminine highlander, this isn't about you this is about people who actually want this implemented for their own sake and comfort.

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what you're asking for is for them to strip what makes different races and genders in this game unique because you want all the options on your single character. Make a male character if you want to use their stuff so bad.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I don't know it still seems to hold up aside from a few forum trolls, the overwhelming demand seems to come from female characters wanting male glams and animations.

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If you're going to brand anyone who wants it as a troll, then yeah, you're not going to see anyone but trolls asking for it.

People can also have characters of both genders, and the one they have on their avatar is not automatically the one they want the unlocks for.