Remove 3rd place from Frontline

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Then play the mode where your direct play can have an impact? Ya know, the one with a competitive queue? Maybe then the queue wouldn't die so quickly, but realistically people want to "win" but to do so with minimal effort. Expecting a casual mode like frontlines where there are 24 players on your team running around to coordinate well is a pretty wild pipe dream in a purely pug environment (make a premade if you want consistency). You'll sometimes get people to pay attention to chat pings, but a mode with 72 players is going to have an extremely wild mix of skill levels. Punishing players in a casual mode for coming in 3rd place is more likely to make them either not queue or go off somewhere and screw around even more in the match when they realize they wont get 1st or 2nd place. Its going to have the opposite of what either you or OP want.

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I don't expect anything will change. I would like to see something change but I assume things will continue as they have since frontline was added to the game. I don't personally enjoy CC so that isn't an option for me. I will continue to queue regardless is the point. I just added my 2 cents to the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Yeah, it's bad enough chasing the mounts and having time wasted. There's no need to punish people further for something that's not their fault.

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Gosh, agreed. Getting that Seal Rock chestpiece is probably never going to happen because that place is just so miserable as is, please don't make things worse ._.

But thats my place :(......

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

In pvp there is only you win or lose, remove 3rd place entirely from the system.

So you come in second, also reduce the xp and marks by 80% or something down those lines.

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Do you know how death Frontline was before it became a viable mean of lvling? It was originally similar to what you said at one time, and you would be lucky if the queue pop in less than 15min, and it usually took 30min or more. So long queue time + shit reward = it was dead and then it was buried. There are a reason why the reward is buff to what it is now.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

3 teams it only makes sense one will win and the two others will come in 2nd and 3rd. There is no problem with this at all.

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I think people have this mistaken assumption that "I kept losing because people are not fighting to win" and thus they think pushing people to win will somehow improve their chance ... But like ... it's simply a statistic issue regardless of how others are playing. If a person claim they keep losing due to their teammate not playing hard enough or just there for the daily EXP, I would ask if they're realize the queue are random, which mean. If you team doesn't want to play to win, than there is an equal likely chance the 2 other teams also consist of the same type of players.

Like every bad or problem you perceive with your team also apply to the other team. For those who think "lazy" players is a problem, I should remind you that's a problem that both work for you as much as against you.

I had played around thousand of matches, and looking at the statistic it's really is a 1:1:1 ratio between 1st, 2nd, 3rd place.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I'm guessing it's the notion that if you have nothing to gain from losing, people would put more effort into actually trying to win instead of settling for mediocrity. In itself, it's a risky idea, but in this game, which is known to not have much of a PvP scene...yeah, it's definitely bad.

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Frontlines was outright dead before they added exp rewards. It picked up slightly for the garo event, but outside of that? You could be in the queue for literally 3 or 4 hours and it would never pop.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Frontlines was outright dead before they added exp rewards. It picked up slightly for the garo event, but outside of that? You could be in the queue for literally 3 or 4 hours and it would never pop.

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PvP is actually quite good now. It isn't perfect but the changes that came with Endwalker vastly improved the experience. Queues for frontlines on established DC's are 5m from reset till 3 am EST.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

In pvp there is only you win or lose, remove 3rd place entirely from the system.

So you come in second, also reduce the xp and marks by 80% or something down those lines.

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And people wonder why dedicated pvpers are generally hated by literally everyone else.

Seriously, you hardcore pvp types (the same guys who want stuff like looting players you kill in other games) never understand why your ideas would kill the very thing you supposedly enjoy. Folks here at least have outlined already how dumb this idea is but it's always astounding how blind folks can be all cause they want to boost their ego via 'punishing' losers.

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Originally Posted by shadowclasper

And people wonder why dedicated pvpers are generally hated by literally everyone else.

Seriously, you hardcore pvp types (the same guys who want stuff like looting players you kill in other games) never understand why your ideas would kill the very thing you supposedly enjoy. Folks here at least have outlined already how dumb this idea is but it's always astounding how blind folks can be all cause they want to boost their ego via 'punishing' losers.

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You don't have to punish a loser but why does said loser deserve a reward? I know we are in the give a trophy to the loser era but I find it pathetic.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

3 teams it only makes sense one will win and the two others will come in 2nd and 3rd. There is no problem with this at all.

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Absolutely no...

In pvp there is two things you win... or you lose...

Is that difficult to understand?

And also I would not mind to turn it all down to 16v16v16 or 8v8v8 instead if that mean the freeloaders vanish from gameplay due to severe reduced rewards for not winning.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

PvP is actually quite good now. It isn't perfect but the changes that came with Endwalker vastly improved the experience. Queues for frontlines on established DC's are 5m from reset till 3 am EST.

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Yes *now* but that is only because of the reward changes. If they never added exp rewards to the frontlines roulette it would still be a completely dead queue regardless of gameplay changes. The majority of people that play XIV simply don't like pvp and only queue into frontlines for an easy half a bar of exp.