Diminishing returns on Crowd control effects and 8v8v8 for frontlines

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

or two stacks of purify

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I thought about that too, not really sure which would help more. Fetter ward would act more like guard in that you have to use it pre-emptivly, which I prefer since we already have an active breakout button.

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Originally Posted by RydiaFey

I thought about that too, not really sure which would help more. Fetter ward would act more like guard in that you have to use it pre-emptivly, which I prefer since we already have an active breakout button.

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fetterward would be as bad as guard since you literally would have to predict the netcode lol

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

fetterward would be as bad as guard since you literally would have to predict the netcode lol

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Idk I'm not defending the server tick rates, but after playing a while you kinda just learn when damage is coming your way. If you burned your purify, then you know you'll have to guard the cc and burst.

If one tick off the server kills you then you probably hit guard too late with too few hp. Dots tick through guard which punishes you for pressing it after damage vs before.

I'd I get verflared after I press guard I know I waited too long and they deserved the kill. At least in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Karasio

Nah it would let more support oriented classes shine more. Like, there's currently no reason to go bard over red mage since both have the same amount of hard CC, but red mage's kit is more versatile. If they gutted a lot of the CC from DPS jobs, they could let bard have an actual place in games, etc etc. As it is right now it's just bloated with most jobs having two, if not more ways of applying some kind of CC.

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We're kinda talking about two different things. I was talking about if they added diminishing returns, which wouldn't help a class like bard because they rely more on crowd control, and have two separate abilities that crowd control vs rdm cc sharing a cool down. Like if you tried to silence them on bard, but they resisted it, then you just effectively threw away your biggest win condition.

You're talking about removing cc from other jobs to make bard more unique. Imo this would remove depth from pvp and make it more like a PVE encounter where everyone just presses their buttons in order until everything dies. It's scripted instead of organic like pvp should be.

I think if purify and guard were a little snappier people wouldn't be so bothered by the amount of crowd control. That's probably not going to happen so the next best thing would be giving us more ACTIVE tools, instead of a passive dr on cc.

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Originally Posted by RydiaFey

We're kinda talking about two different things. I was talking about if they added diminishing returns, which wouldn't help a class like bard because they rely more on crowd control, and have two separate abilities that crowd control vs rdm cc sharing a cool down. Like if you tried to silence them on bard, but they resisted it, then you just effectively threw away your biggest win condition.

You're talking about removing cc from other jobs to make bard more unique. Imo this would remove depth from pvp and make it more like a PVE encounter where everyone just presses their buttons in order until everything dies. It's scripted instead of organic like pvp should be.

I think if purify and guard were a little snappier people wouldn't be so bothered by the amount of crowd control. That's probably not going to happen so the next best thing would be giving us more ACTIVE tools, instead of a passive dr on cc.

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With the netcode being the way that it is there is no way to make guard and purify more responsive though. That's the whole issue.

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Originally Posted by Karasio

With the netcode being the way that it is there is no way to make guard and purify more responsive though. That's the whole issue.

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another Purify would be a smart idea honestly, just give us two or three stacks of it.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

another Purify would be a smart idea honestly, just give us two or three stacks of it.

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Just re-introduce the Feast-era tenacity system at this point. Literally better than the CC shitfest going on.

What do you mean? You don't like being CC'd 8 times for 2-3 seconds each in a game mode where 2 seconds is your entire life span? :)

I get the whole no CC means no deaths thing though. That's how pvp use to be. Very much a contest of which samurai could get three stickers first.

What if, while waiting in que for 24v24v24 if the time hit some known amount, it started an 8v8v8 instead with whomever was waiting longest?

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

I get the whole no CC means no deaths thing though.

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It was fine before the EW revamp though.
Now we have ultra-cc AND unkillable melee apes running around with 60% DR :)