7.0 combat should go back to the shb recipe - burst rotations aren't enjoyable

I agree, Endwalker is a burst game.

Every job has a burst every 120s or a 120s raidbuff.
I understand the reasoning behind 120s for all, content with multiple downtime would benefits some jobs better than others.

NIN was a very good example with 60s trick attack. Already good and shines on downtime content.
But we still have jobs that performs better than others because of downtime.

It didn't fixed the problems and took away a lot of job personality.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

I'm in this camp.
4.0 blew 5.0 away for so many jobs... AST, SCH, BRD, SAM, NIN, WAR. maybe more. ALL better in 4.0 than they ever have been.

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when i mained SAM back in stormblood - i thought, theres no way they can make this class feel any better....but after the shoha changes in 5.1, holy hell did they deliver what was essentially the MOST SMOOTHEST job class I've ever touched.


Up until 6.0, i would lvl all classes to max, but now...I have zero motivation to do so.

I'm aware my opinion is massively unpopular and I am going against the grain - however I think raidbuff metas in general are boring and I'd prefer more individual play. There are good raidbuffs - Arcane Circle, Technical Finish and Brotherhood. Those are buffs that not only provide damage boosts to your party, but more importantly affect how the job plays (Plentiful Harvest, Esprit gain, Chakra gain).

Boring buffs in my opinion are Embolden for example - all they do is provide x% for y seconds and that's it. They work really well with the current system, but they are also numbingly simple.

In my not-so-humble opinion, the best days of cooldowns were when they were irregular from each other, both raidbuffs and personal cooldowns. Dark Knight (personal CD) and BRD (raidbuffs / debuffs) were vastly different with 40s and 80s timers, which made them highly enjoyable for me.

Alas, I am aware that both you and SE / Devs / Yoshida are likely not interested in Stormblood's job design, despite having some of the better designs overall that didn't need their wings cut off. Just a dream of mine.

But to summarize, yeah - Endwalker's "every job is a 2min job" style is really boring.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I'm aware my opinion is massively unpopular and I am going against the grain - however I think raidbuff metas in general are boring and I'd prefer more individual play. There are good raidbuffs - Arcane Circle, Technical Finish and Brotherhood. Those are buffs that not only provide damage boosts to your party, but more importantly affect how the job plays (Plentiful Harvest, Esprit gain, Chakra gain).

Boring buffs in my opinion are Embolden for example - all they do is provide x% for y seconds and that's it. They work really well with the current system, but they are also numbingly simple.

In my not-so-humble opinion, the best days of cooldowns were when they were irregular from each other, both raidbuffs and personal cooldowns. Dark Knight (personal CD) and BRD (raidbuffs / debuffs) were vastly different with 40s and 80s timers, which made them highly enjoyable for me.

Alas, I am aware that both you and SE / Devs / Yoshida are likely not interested in Stormblood's job design, despite having some of the better designs overall that didn't need their wings cut off. Just a dream of mine.

But to summarize, yeah - Endwalker's "every job is a 2min job" style is really boring.

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You're not alone with this, I think flat damage buffs are incredibly boring as well by nature but it's made so much worse with everything on a rigid 2min cooldown.
If they are at least on different timers, it gives people the chance to interact with them by trying to squeeze out some extra dps one buff without dropping dps during the next burst. I liked the falloff of the old Embolden better although the magic damage only increase needed a fix. It at least gave people the opportunity to squeeze out extra dps by using their strongest skills first to catch the stronger buff.
Now we just have a bunch of buffs that basically all do the same and there's no difference betweem them except for their name and animation. A crit buff changes as much as a flat damage buff: nothing. Everyone still plays their rotation the same way and that rotation has also been put on a rigid timer for good measure.

Combat has never felt so bland as in EW, streamlining everything into "push buff, dump all skills at once" sucked the fun out of many classes. The one that's least affected is BLM but I still feel the loss of 60s/ 90s buffs that gave me the opportunity to move more efficiently so I have spare Xenos for them or force a Transpose line during them.

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

also, unmurder GNB. third shot and hypervelocity were a mistake.

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Gonna just say I personally enjoy having more things for continuation to proc, and keep wondering why fated circle doesn't have anything to add to dungeon pulls.

Beyond that, can't say too much because I only main a couple of jobs.

ShB combat was darn good, though.

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

Many forum posts about X class needs Y or Z sucks about X class.

The real problem behind why so many classes feel yucky is simply because of the forced rotation line introduced in 6.0

Furthermore, its feels gross because most instances still feel like they're designed with the old format in mind.

5.x was the bees knees when it came to combat. Devs, please go back to that formula, coz this one ain't it.

all 6.x does is introduce DISGUSTING skill drift.


also, make bunshin 120 seconds.

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wait, you want to revert the 120 second burst focus, but also move Bunshin to 120 seconds? which is it, make up your mind.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

wait, you want to revert the 120 second burst focus, but also move Bunshin to 120 seconds? which is it, make up your mind.

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i should of worded it better.


in this current iteration of combat - bunshin should be 120 coz poppin it every 90 seconds is really yucky.



but in a general sense, shb was king.

Go back to Stormblood job design and then we can talk

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Originally Posted by RocciaSolida

Go back to Stormblood job design and then we can talk

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If only they could return to a quality similar to what stormblood was for jobs, that would be really amazing, but I'm not so hopeful anymore.

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Originally Posted by remiff

If only they could return to a quality similar to what stormblood was for jobs, that would be really amazing, but I'm not so hopeful anymore.

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One can dream