Changes to Savage with 6.2

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I'll take that bet. I feel my weapon alone would equate to perhaps ILevel 130 ish...so I can see it being soloable with my abilities. I'll let ya know how it goes...for better or worse.

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This should be interesting kupo <3 i might do this now just go in tanking in my birthday suit and a giant zweihandler kupo <3 rofl

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Originally Posted by Hypn0tyk

Each raid team can also get an i630 tome weapon before p8s if the tomes come out a week early.

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How do you figure? Doesn't the tome weapon require several weeks' worth of additional items from the normal mode counterpart? 4 weeks' worth to be exact.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

How do you figure? Doesn't the tome weapon require several weeks' worth of additional items from the normal mode counterpart? 4 weeks' worth to be exact.

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The X tomestone item that you exchange the actual weapons for drops in the 2nd turn of the raid tier, and the item to upgrade that drops in the 3rd turn.

Day 1 groups will be stupid not to do one expert before going in on savage release so they can have one 630 accessory, one 630 small piece, five 620 small pieces and a 630 weapon for last fight. On top of everyone else having 615 weapons.

This is an absolutely insane level of additional power. Easily in the realm of about 500-800 more group dps.

If they do account for the fact that everyone will have access to more gear for the savage release and the fights are scaled accordingly, then the savage tier will be 'relatively harder' for players that typically depend on extra gear to help them as we now can start with some of that gear.

If they don't account for that, this will be an easy raid tier.

Or they'll just release tomes with savage, as they do with new expansions.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Or they'll just release tomes with savage, as they do with new expansions.

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The article on the lodestone directly states:

"Patch 6.2 will see several changes to Allagan tomestones, including the addition of a new type of tomestone and revisions made to previously existing ones."

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Originally Posted by MrSigy

- your A point: there was always a decision you had to make for yourself as a static do we take time to get ex weapons or do we just ignore it. All the time you would ignore it even in e8s, e12s. But you had to make a choice. Now there is no choice you farm the ex weapons beforehand to go into savage as there is nothing else to do. By this point you have already +1 wpndmg and 9 vit then in the past.

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Considering that farming 10 totems took at tops, 3 ish hours both times my group did it for our week 1 clears on the Eden tiers, the choice is extremely obvious for 99.9% of groups. Save yourself potential <1% wipe headaches for a 3hr investment. The only groups this choice is a big consideration for is when they're going for World 1st, where every hour counts.

and to be technical, you always have the choice. Just convince your static not to farm them 'for the challenge'.

That, and I think you're once again severely underestimating how much health those pieces are giving you. 9 vit is 219 HP (for ranged), or an increase of 0.04% Health. When most raidwides week 1 on the last fight are designed to just straight up 1-shot without mit or shields by doing 120%+ of the average max HP, that 219 HP is effectively invisible. Damage variance alone is +/- 5% and would have 10x more impact if someone survived or not than the HP ever could. The extra HP that weapon adds is basically invisible outside of extreme niche cases, it's not making things 'easier to survive' in any discernible way, shape or form. Early weeks of savage is all about the mitigation & shields.

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Originally Posted by MrSigy

- your B point: Sorry I don't remember the last time I actually bought a tome weapon for clearing savage content. You don't need it so I never bothered with it. Anyway you feed your dps gear as much as possible anyway so I don't see where this one was going.

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Because now its a valid option week 1 by making the dps check easier in the event we have a Shiva 2.0, and is the only actual thing that is even a point of discussion about making Savage easier when it comes to this, since the extra defense/HP is basically invisible.

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Originally Posted by MrSigy

I haven't felt a challenge as a healer in well forever even in DRU, it's just oh you have mitigation congratulation you pass.

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Welcome to Final Fantasy 14 boss design, enjoy your stay. It's never been about reactionary skills or RNG, it's been always about learning the song and dance of mechanics, mitigation & OGCD heals, then executing the same song and dance consistently. Every Savage & Ultimate since Creator has been designed this way, with the occasional 'hey, lets spam tons of damage at the end of the fight to keep healers occupied'

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Day 1 groups will be stupid not to do one expert before going in on savage release so they can have one 630 accessory, one 630 small piece, five 620 small pieces and a 630 weapon for last fight. On top of everyone else having 615 weapons.

This is an absolutely insane level of additional power. Easily in the realm of about 500-800 more group dps.

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How will 540 tomes get you five 620 small pieces as you call them.

Assuming we funnel all gear to a single player, assuming the fights are cleared week 1 and with no duplicate drops, that is 3 630 accessories, head, gloves, and legs, with a tome accessory augment and weapon tomestone, still need to spend 500 to actually get the weapon mind you, legs and weapon augment from the third fight, and the last off piece you didn’t get last fight, and an armor augment.

Again this is a lot of rng to not have duplicate drops at any point, at best you can guarantee assuming just clearing the first 3 fights are 1 accessory, 1 of head/gloves/feet, an accessory augment and weapon tomestone, legs and weapon/armor upgrade.

tome weapon costs 500
Accessories are 375 each
Head/gloves/feet are 495 each
Chest and legs are 825

If you cap tomes prior to going into savage that’s 900 tomes, enough for a weapon and either an accessory or head/glove/feet or just chest/legs.

1 week is not going to “break savage” or make it easier for “casuals”. The world first groups are still gonna clear regardless of these advantages as you put it.