Two Suggested Ninjutsu Changes for NIN

I also always had pictured how cool the idea of Fuma being a bleed dot. The action animation is so cool to be only seen once ever 120s with TCJ,

Shadow Fang used to be Ninja's dot... but it was a thoughtless action because how rigid the usage was... like just remember to add it to TA, that's it - even the cooldown aligned perfectly with it. The big part of a DoT gameplay is gauging your ability to 'babysit' the dot, not refreshing it too soon nor let it drop.

could just replace throwing knife with fuma shuriken
then ninja gets a new mudra which just makes enemy take more ninjutsu damage for 60 seconds and its just a kunai with a debuff seal on it.

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Originally Posted by TheElvenQueen

I could then COMFORTABLY execute all 4 skills in my predesigned desired order, without breaking my wrist trying awkwardly reaching and stretching out for ctrl/shift/1/2/3 keycombos,
just because the devs delusionally think "that makes the game better durr". We're not all guitar/piano playing nerds irl with girly bending fingers okay? This is literally painful and stupid.

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Sounds like your problem is actually the button bloat , too many hotkeys for all the abilities that ciould be reduced by combining certain combo actions.
Unless youre using a combo plug-in and some macros (which isnt ideal in combat) there is no way around that.
Ninja is one of the most bloated Jobs in the game right now.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

Sounds like your problem is actually the button bloat , too many hotkeys for all the abilities that ciould be reduced by combining certain combo actions.
Unless youre using a combo plug-in and some macros (which isnt ideal in combat) there is no way around that.
Ninja is one of the most bloated Jobs in the game right now.

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It's not bloated. Maybe the job isn't for you, that's absolutely fine, play something else.

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Originally Posted by TheElvenQueen

You use combos in pvp! One button = chain all skills in a row.
Why can't we have this for pve?
I'm seriously out of words here. Can anyone direct me to a interview where the devs try to justify torturing pve players like this?
What is going on Yoshi? It's 2022. Get with the times my man.

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Because not every game has to be played for you. I understand you come from an environment where an actual disco show and air horns need to go off for you to move two steps to the left, but I (and many others) prefer to play a game where your knowledge of a class and fight matters.

This game has its flaws, as does any, but ease of play is quite literally the last of its concerns.

If you're looking for a game that's easier (on your fingers), I'd suggest Power Wash Simulator - or simply going back to WoW.

The mudras are in a weird spot. Huton seems unnecessary now with Hurajin and Armor Crush both offering ways to start and extend our speed buff. Fuma Shuriken is used for only five levels from 30 to 35 until we learn Ten Chi Jen at 70. Hyoton is never touched unless you're bored following your sprout friend around in ARR. I really think they all need adjustment. Fuma Shuriken needs twice the range to warrant existing in the same world as Raiton. Huton should offer a lesser variant of Peleton if I had to guess. Let it be something used exclusively out of combat that offers a speed boost to everyone within 6 yalms. I would make Hyoton a skill for self or party members that created a barrier like Shade Shift. It would be rare to need it but definitely be more useful than the pointless tragedy Hyoton is now.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

The mudras are in a weird spot. Huton seems unnecessary now with Hurajin and Armor Crush both offering ways to start and extend our speed buff. Fuma Shuriken is used for only five levels from 30 to 35 until we learn Ten Chi Jen at 70. Hyoton is never touched unless you're bored following your sprout friend around in ARR. I really think they all need adjustment. Fuma Shuriken needs twice the range to warrant existing in the same world as Raiton. Huton should offer a lesser variant of Peleton if I had to guess. Let it be something used exclusively out of combat that offers a speed boost to everyone within 6 yalms. I would make Hyoton a skill for self or party members that created a barrier like Shade Shift. It would be rare to need it but definitely be more useful than the pointless tragedy Hyoton is now.

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Huraijin is almost entirely useless, and Huton is the way to regain it back the huge majority of times. I'd rather not see that gone. If anything should go, it's Huraijin.
As for Hyoton - it being a barrier wouldn't net it much more usage that right now, unless the shield was ridiculous.

I do not think that Fuma Shuriken needs to change, it's the only physical Ninjutsu, even if it's not really used it's still an option.

My Idea for a Change for Hyoton would be to make Hyosho Ranryu available with Kassatsu, thus muscle memory doesn't fuck you hard below lvl76, maybe just give Hyosho Ranryu a Damage Boost on lvl76.

would it be bad if Huraijin becomes Kamaitachi? I have the feeling that Kamaitachi feels kinda tagged on+ It doesn't interact with Bunshin anyway. but a Huraijin on Range would be cool in my opinion.

I think a DoT on fuma would be a good idea only if it was an added effect inside the ability Ten Chi Jin as to not disrupt the core gamplay . This way you can get an extra benefit for every single target ninjitsu .... Fuma a Dot, Raiton a Raiju stack and Suiton for Meisui /Enhanced Meisui buff .. It would legitimize it's risk/reward nature of the ability.

Honestly, might be in the minority, but I think Ninja is perfect as-is. Kassatsu makes it so Hyoton is relevant after 76 and having to cast fuma would disrupt the already busy 2m/6m burst (we can't fit Phantom, Raiju/Raiton, and Bunshin AE+Bhava all in our opener already). Quite a couple jobs have a "solo-play" utility that's useless in most other content (Sleep, Shield Bash, etc), but I think NIN is able to use abilities that become "obsolete" in a vacuum by coupling them into other abilities like TCJ and Kassatsu.

The issue with just giving things a higher potency is that gamers are going to optimize it out. If Hyoton just automatically did Hyosho Ranryu, it'd be a matter of "does raiju + raiton do more damage or does Hyosho?" and one would actually be obsolete over the other, and that would simply not solve anything while not really adding anything in the way of complexity.