question about Venat and Hydrylian

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I dunno why the worlds would '' unsunder '' without Hydaelyn that'd imply that she was basically channeling '' the sundering '' and keeping it that way which would just be weird.
Either way this thread would need a spoiler warning ( another reason why I assumed troll btw ).

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Honestly anyone spoilable would likely have been turned away by the OP, so I wasn't worried about that.

It's implied multiple times that the binding of Zodiark is an active process by Hydaelyn and the Watcher, and if Zodiark is unbound then there's not much keeping the shards from rejoining.

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Venat Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like Hydrylian?

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

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This is actually not true not for Emet-Selch and Mitron for example, their aether got freed and returned to the aetherical sea. Thus they can be reborn again. Ofc if the aether got literally shattered with an auracite they are gone. Emet for example wasn't trapped into an auracite, we just used them to basically punch a giant hole into his aether probably which caused him to die and i think he also accepted his death, unlike the other auracite deaths we also saw his aether ascending. Mitron/Artemis was the same, he spoke about being reborn with Gaia but they won't remember each other obviously.

I think the rebirth process first occurred after the first summoning of zodiark, since then new life was basically created out of thin air which the Ancients wanted to sacrifice to bring their lost brothers back.

Hydaelyn/Venat also just sundered aetheris and the planet is not bound to her and neither to zodiark. So their deaths don't affect the shards and planet at all besides Zodiark basically covering aetheris into a shroud of aether to protect it from the dynamis. Which we learned cause the more aether you have the less you notice the effects of dynamis. That's why the ancients didn't noticed it at all cause they were beings of pure creation magic. With zodiark and the protection gone meteion was able to reach aetheris again with her dynamis. Hydaelyn herself had no such function though, her actions were nothing she had to maintain like Zodiark, she just sundered the world and that was it and well guided the people towards defeating meteion.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

This is actually not true not for Emet-Selch and Mitron for example, their aether got freed and returned to the aetherical sea. Thus they can be reborn again. Ofc if the aether got literally shattered with an auracite they are gone. Emet for example wasn't trapped into an auracite, we just used them to basically punch a giant hole into his aether probably which caused him to die and i think he also accepted his death, unlike the other auracite deaths we also saw his aether ascending. Mitron/Artemis was the same, he spoke about being reborn with Gaia but they won't remember each other obviously.

I think the rebirth process first occurred after the first summoning of zodiark, since then new life was basically created out of thin air which the Ancients wanted to sacrifice to bring their lost brothers back.

Hydaelyn/Venat also just sundered aetheris and the planet is not bound to her and neither to zodiark. So their deaths don't affect the shards and planet at all besides Zodiark basically covering aetheris into a shroud of aether to protect it from the dynamis. Which we learned cause the more aether you have the less you notice the effects of dynamis. That's why the ancients didn't noticed it at all cause they were beings of pure creation magic. With zodiark and the protection gone meteion was able to reach aetheris again with her dynamis. Hydaelyn herself had no such function though, her actions were nothing she had to maintain like Zodiark, she just sundered the world and that was it and well guided the people towards defeating meteion.

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I would have to disagree on that first point. In every other example of an Ascian fake-dying to retreat and reform, their soul aether balls up into a nice shadowy sphere...

...whereas Emet-Selch dissolved into blue aether, which is symbolism used multiple times throughout the story to signify that something without concrete physical form has died for good. Primals, the Archbishop, and Hydaelyn herself are very prominent examples. The Light aether of the first was 'the darkness to his light' as it is said in the story, which I suppose would be enough to unmake an Ascian, and I guess the white auracite Thancred blew up in his face at the end of the fight had something to do with it too.

Also, it is said multiple times that the binding of Zodiark is an active process. He grows more powerful with each rejoining and requires more power to restrain, leading into the steady draining of Hydaelyn's strength over the course of the MSQ, from being able to protect us from Ultima in ARR, to barely being able to communicate with us with a proxy, or even make her presence known at all in EW. By the time Zodiark is killed, she's already so aether-starved that her death was certain, only holding out to be able to test us at the end of the Aitilascope.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Honestly anyone spoilable would likely have been turned away by the OP, so I wasn't worried about that.

It's implied multiple times that the binding of Zodiark is an active process by Hydaelyn and the Watcher, and if Zodiark is unbound then there's not much keeping the shards from rejoining.

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Hydaelyn did need to actively work to keep him contained and it was becoming more difficult with each rejoining, yes. However, nowhere, at any point, was it ever implied that she had to do the same to keep the world sundered. I'm... honestly baffled how you came to that conclusion... not to mention the characters in the game would be extremely concerned were that the case, rather than never addressing such a thing. Hydaelyn sure never made such a claim after your fight with her.

i was supprise that devs didn't keep Hydaelyn as goddess around as governor of all creations through because this would include nature and elemental i was kind hope in end they do this she could assign the prime in they pure forms a control over elemental make them more something pure for taints now they roles would far more pure too give the summoner a far more important role and summit they summoner more important now

in ffxiv seem people faith are important by purefied the prime that make they faith pure now and their give them a reason once more to trust in they primes they now in their purest forms even if the aether was use up they being are now still pure once more the beast tribes have reason once to believes\

my theory is that Hydaelyn isn't gone because she is hiden goddess of rebirth so if she if she goddess of rebirth mean she to must be reborn as long people trust she their they fatih will doing the rest that problem would a better ending for her to be so goddess of the world aswell as governor of it

a expansion is it story and it patch cycle

if she can cause the recernation of the seat holder of azem then she has underline ability to govern rebirth and may not know it. Zorak has hide governor of death

They have never said she is "goddess of rebirth" at any point. Her powers are Light-based – stasis, stability and tranquility – and in any case it is not something she has always existed to control. She became a primal and gained the ability to control power of that aspect.

The planet existed long before she did, and continues to exist now that she is gone.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

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There is no dying for good, aether gets reborn. I think you can imagine it as having the same consciousness but well you get reborn with no memories of the past life you had. I mean Hythlodaeus talks about seeing each other again but maybe in another form which ofc is just logical cause their souls won't get reborn as Ancients but in another form same as the souls of the sundered ancients got reborn into i guess most of the people out there. And it is what Gaia said to Mitron/Artemis, that dying was basically what he wanted anyways to be freed from Eden to be reborn again. Which was obviously not possible while his aether was trapped in Eden. So yeah if you don't shatter the soul of something itself it will be reborn and Emets aether didn't got purged just freed. I mean he literally died on his own not cause we purged his aether completely.

But as i said it's not like they will remember their past lifes nor have their original form. And ofc the Ascians which aether got literally obliterated are gone gone.

Also yeah keeping zodiark in check is probably some active part she had but without him out of the picture she has no part in sustaining the shards and source, they exist on their own with or without both of the first primals. Which was what the question was about originally, right?

question for you who cause the season to keep going then who allow winter to come then the spring then summer and fall then see season are part of creations. in christian circile we believe god just tell everything repeat over again. but here is issue where spring new life created or born new plants are grow and rain come and water the crops but who tel them to do this who tell the weather contuine to repeat it selves see

Eitherys has been started that when it was whole, it functioned without someone "telling" it to go through seasons, and the ancients (ascians) themselves were the keepers of the star by making creations from aether and protecting it. Unfortunately; we have no idea who the Twelve are which are the twelve deities that you can choose as your patron from the character selection. Nor is Hydaelyn one of the Twelve, far from it. Hydaelyn is a Primal, not a god. There's a distinct line between the two terms if you pay close enough to the story. In 6.1 however, the alliance raid will perhaps begin to reveal the secrets behind the Twelve on what they are or if they even exist in the realm of FFXIV. For now it's all speculation until confirmed or explored by the dev team.

But as earlier it had been stated that Hydaelyn is a primal; representative of light/stasis and had been summoned by Venat who was formerly apart of the convocation of Fourteen. Hydaelyn's sole duty was to sunder the worlds and her people in order to eventually prepare them to fight against Metieon: despair incarnate, as well as hold back Zodiark to keep him in check long enough for the WoL to eventually intervene in events that the time loop introduced to the story. Never did Hydaelyn preside over rebirth as the aetheric cycle is a natural occurring phenomenon on Eitherys. She isn't a goddess of Eitherys, just an elder Primal like Zodiark.