First stage of Resistance weapons seems like an awkward bottleneck

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

Because the first repeatable stage of obtaining your relic weapons already require you to use poetics - and there's no way to avoid this stage unless you stockpile poetics ahead of time. Only the first relic weapon is free of charge, the proceeding ones require you to exchange poetics for Thavnairian Scalepowder. Telling someone that they're immediately stuck from continuing to upgrade their relic after getting their relic and emptying out their poetics unless they farm even more poetics is a terrible feeling. Immensely so when you cleared all your roulettes that gave extra poetics only to find out you need to go back and farm even more ... but this time there's no additional poetics from daily roulette.

And they're trying to incentivize encouraging people to do Bozja content, not make it obsolete by making other methods easier to obtain the relic weapons. It's just a lot of people complained Eureka relic weapons had to come from doing Eurekan content (go figure), so they offered a way to make the Bozjan relic weapon without Bozjan content. However, it's still required to do Bozjan content if you want to complete the relic.

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You should have read the rest of the post before posting your response. You would’ve read about using Bozjan silver coins as another option (which is a way to keep Bozjan content alive). I also stated to add drops to level 50 dungeons to add a level of fairness. I did not remove the option going into Southern Front and doing FATES. You could still do Southern Front and FATES if you choose to go those routes.

The whole post was about not only Tomestones, it was mostly about using the later stages of the weapon to make things easier for earlier stages. SE did this with making DR drop the last two repeatable stages of the weapon. I did this with my four tank weapons: did 30 runs for the Raw Emotions and at the same time, I had my WHM weapon open for Timeworn Artifacts. By the end of all of those DR runs, I had 90 Timeworn Artifacts. I have completed an entire step for that WHM weapon and five other potential weapons.

Agreed, getting 60 per weapon is extremely tedious, and i dont feel like completing a second relic weapon like this[at 41 memories atm]
Wish they reduced it down to 10 or made the drops guaranteed in bozja/zadnor in perhaps 2 per fate than 1.

If this is the stage I think it is, I got hundreds of the three different memories (or whatever) from the three different zones, from cluster farming. I do not recall this being the most annoying part of the relic grind. It was DR.

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

You should have read the rest of the post before posting your response. You would’ve read about using Bozjan silver coins as another option (which is a way to keep Bozjan content alive). I also stated to add drops to level 50 dungeons to add a level of fairness. I did not remove the option going into Southern Front and doing FATES. You could still do Southern Front and FATES if you choose to go those routes.

The whole post was about not only Tomestones, it was mostly about using the later stages of the weapon to make things easier for earlier stages. SE did this with making DR drop the last two repeatable stages of the weapon. I did this with my four tank weapons: did 30 runs for the Raw Emotions and at the same time, I had my WHM weapon open for Timeworn Artifacts. By the end of all of those DR runs, I had 90 Timeworn Artifacts. I have completed an entire step for that WHM weapon and five other potential weapons.

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Oh, I definitely did read it. There's just no more point to doing Memory hunting if silver coins are used because it'll only incentivize Dalriada runs in Zadnor, not Bozjan Southern Front. Zadnor will be both more valuable from a mettle point and for farming Memories by getting Dalriada to spawn faster. People wouldn't be bothering with CLL if they can straight up buy the memories or go FATE farm elsewhere because the efficiency then became that much more higher. People rarely spend Silver coins on Blade gear as well because we have better ILV alternatives (ILV 525 vs ILV 530 augmented cryptlurker & savage gear). Other than for glamour, all those silver coins would the be spent on memories.

Not a very good solution for keeping previous content alive in that case as the only incentive to do Bozjan Front would then be for CLL runs for loathsome memories. In which case, more people would just be there to pop into Bozja, ask whether CLL was up recently, and then leave instance if not up. No one will be actively spawning FATEs there or doing CEs other than the ones who are doing the content for the first time. After all, the rate of gaining memories here will not be as effective as Dalriada, and dying is a huge mettle loss compared to Zadnor.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

If this is the stage I think it is, I got hundreds of the three different memories (or whatever) from the three different zones, from cluster farming. I do not recall this being the most annoying part of the relic grind. It was DR.

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You are on point there.
This is why I drag my FCmate who’s new to BSF relic into cluster farm group.

I may be late to experience this ease of grinding because I finished all mine in early day of the relic’s inception, but based on my friend’s testimony, the 3 colored memories drops ridiculously fast that they don’t want to farm HW FATEs anymore because cluster farm is also an added benefit.

That being said sometimes I still see random PF to farm those memories pops up now & then. Just not as often as before.

DRn phase is 5 times faster but nonetheless still tedious because for whatever reason using even veteran/platebearer is ‘too much effort’ to put in that people rather get carried & effectively slowing down the run.

If prior expansions are anything to judge, I expect the process to get “easier” with the next expansion, or for alternative options to appear.

…or the content might just be shelved away entirely…

I would personally change it to something like this, taking into consideration the seemingly intention the devs had to encourage people running old content while also not outright completely discourage running Bozja content:

1st step (current 202020 memory): Do 3 FATEs on each of the HW areas (dropping total amount of FATEs you have to do from 60 to 18) and run each of the Crystal Tower Raids once.
2nd step(current 6 Antitower runs): Queue to 3 job specific level 60 dungeons
3rd step (current 15 BLU syrcus tower runs/3 Castrum Lacus Litoire): Do 3 FATEs on each of the SB areas (18 FATEs total) and run each of the Shadow of Mhach Raids once.
5th step (current run 10 Mocciane Arboretum (Hard): Queue to 3 job specific Level 70 dungeons and run each of the Ivalice Raids once.

The idea behind these changes would be to make the Relic grind less monotonous by encouraging diverse old content running and preventing things like Antitower speedrunning.

The only step I have no idea how to fix would be the DR one since any alternative I can think of would be better than to run it (unless you make said alternative incredibly RNGy and grindy (like current PoTD is), and any alternative too lax would have DR queues taking forever come the new expansion preventing people from progressing the Bozja/Relic questline.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

I would personally change it to something like this, taking into consideration the seemingly intention the devs had to encourage people running old content while also not outright completely discourage running Bozja content:

1st step (current 202020 memory): Do 3 FATEs on each of the HW areas (dropping total amount of FATEs you have to do from 60 to 18) and run each of the Crystal Tower Raids once.
2nd step(current 6 Antitower runs): Queue to 3 job specific level 60 dungeons
3rd step (current 15 BLU syrcus tower runs/3 Castrum Lacus Litoire): Do 3 FATEs on each of the SB areas (18 FATEs total) and run each of the Shadow of Mhach Raids once.
5th step (current run 10 Mocciane Arboretum (Hard): Queue to 3 job specific Level 70 dungeons and run each of the Ivalice Raids once.

The idea behind these changes would be to make the Relic grind less monotonous by encouraging diverse old content running and preventing things like Antitower speedrunning.

The only step I have no idea how to fix would be the DR one since any alternative I can think of would be better than to run it (unless you make said alternative incredibly RNGy and grindy (like current PoTD is), and any alternative too lax would have DR queues taking forever come the new expansion preventing people from progressing the Bozja/Relic questline.

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Personally I'd just tie it to daily roulettes- a choice to get whatever you need instead of tomestones. Or just be able to trade tomestones directly for the things you want, albeit at a rate that's not really THAT good.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Personally I'd just tie it to daily roulettes- a choice to get whatever you need instead of tomestones. Or just be able to trade tomestones directly for the things you want, albeit at a rate that's not really THAT good.

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They would have to do it so that you can get whatever it is you need even if you've already received your daily roulette bonus, otherwise you'd be gatekeeping relic progress till daily resets.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

Oh, I definitely did read it. There's just no more point to doing Memory hunting if silver coins are used because it'll only incentivize Dalriada runs in Zadnor, not Bozjan Southern Front. Zadnor will be both more valuable from a mettle point and for farming Memories by getting Dalriada to spawn faster. People wouldn't be bothering with CLL if they can straight up buy the memories or go FATE farm elsewhere because the efficiency then became that much more higher. People rarely spend Silver coins on Blade gear as well because we have better ILV alternatives (ILV 525 vs ILV 530 augmented cryptlurker & savage gear). Other than for glamour, all those silver coins would the be spent on memories.

Not a very good solution for keeping previous content alive in that case as the only incentive to do Bozjan Front would then be for CLL runs for loathsome memories. In which case, more people would just be there to pop into Bozja, ask whether CLL was up recently, and then leave instance if not up. No one will be actively spawning FATEs there or doing CEs other than the ones who are doing the content for the first time. After all, the rate of gaining memories here will not be as effective as Dalriada, and dying is a huge mettle loss compared to Zadnor.

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My post was an address to Iscah OP... who was not happy with how the first memory step was done (and I partially agree with). I came up with alternatives. These alternatives are activities you would be doing anyway when it comes to making the weapon.

Zadnor and Dalriada do not drop Silver Coins. That zone and that CE only drop Mythril and Platinum coins. You cannot make change into Silver coins from those two coin types. You can only convert Mythril to Platinum.

People already jump from zone to zone asking if CLL spawned. That's been happening since day one. My idea was not going to create this problem.

As for spending silver coins. Yes, that's the point: I have 1,345 sitting in my inventory. I already squashed a stack of 999 back in July. I want to spend those coins on something that could be used towards the weapon, hence the idea in the first place. I am not interested in the gear for glamour.

If my ideas are going to cause major problems, then what ideas do you have that will not cause that severity of problems?