TheLazyPeon "gives FFXIV another try"

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Originally Posted by Cebo

Those who argue it lays the foundation and is necessary for world-building really oversell it. Things like Good King Moogle Mog, Leviathan/Ramuh, the Ivy's subterfuge etc. could all have been on the chopping block (ie. moved to sidequests), without much loss to the primary narrative. They could easily just trim it down to the Monetarists subplot, the Doma refugees/Yugiri's arrival and Alphi establishing the Crystal Braves, and move right on to Lady Iceheart and Moenbryda's arrival. Hell, even the Monetarists, while critical for 2.55's conclusion, is basically a footnote for the rest of the game, so even that's scrapped in later expansions. Unlike later expansions where the post-HW, post-SB, and post-ShB quests continue the narrative from x.0 - x.3, and have their big moments...ARR's 2.0 - 2.3 is the definition of filler content.

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Incorrect. Going to point this out in a block to avoid spoilers for others, because this is spoilers for the entirety of the game.

Good King Mog hinted at how Primal summoning works, that it makes what you BELIEVE come to life, not the actual individual, which we find out in HW. Leviathan showed that the Echo allows body hopping, hinting strongly at how connected it is to the Ascians and what somebody could possibly do with it. Ramuh hinted that things are not as black and white as we think, and that light and dark are two sides of the same coin. Ivy's subterfuge was a warning not to trust those close to us so easily, something that hit us hard with the betrayal by the Crystal Braves, and much later with Misija's betrayal in Save the Queen.

Everything is foreshadowing future events and knowledge, so it is all important to the plot in the grand scheme of things.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

But where are the eels?

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Mother Miounne baked them all into pies.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Everything is foreshadowing future events and knowledge, so it is all important to the plot in the grand scheme of things.

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Excellent comment! I'd thought to point out that bit about the Leviathan chapter, but forgot to. Removing content from main-line MSQ and demoting it to "side-quests" means it's no longer established canon. Therefore, they can't really reference concepts in those chapters for future story beats, because they don't know if the player has done it or not. Plus, the quests for those primal battles aren't terribly long in the grand scheme of things, and if players feel like there's already too much "blah blah" without any action, removing combat encounters doesn't seem like a good remedy.

As somebody who's come and gone from the game multiple times over the years since ARR came out, and actually restarted the game from scratch a few times, I totally get the "slog" factor. I felt it a bit this time around at parts. But I remember clearly, the first time I played through post-vanilla Level 50 content, I thought it was incredible! It's so much better and more polished than the ARR leveling quests, there's tons more voiced dialogue, you're wondering where the story is going to go after you've defeated the Garlean occupation efforts. Every little plot thread feels important, like it could be a launchpad for future adventures.

Unpopular opinion, but I actually feel like all the Level 50 dungeons they give you should have been mandatory MSQ content, because they are actually really well made, and fun to do at least once. Also, the Crystal Tower absolutely blew my mind the first time through! To skip that would be a real shame, as it's quite a spectacle.

Or The Lazy Peon could just accept that he personally doesn't enjoy the FFXIV game style and let it go at that.

It's okay not to like the game. It's not going to be right for everyone.

But he should have left it at "I don't like the game" the first time around instead of going down the "this game is total trash" route.

What he does and doesn't like won't change overnight. He's doing this solely for the views so why care?

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Unpopular opinion, but I actually feel like all the Level 50 dungeons they give you should have been mandatory MSQ content, because they are actually really well made, and fun to do at least once. Also, the Crystal Tower absolutely blew my mind the first time through! To skip that would be a real shame, as it's quite a spectacle.

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Sounds like a better reason to leave them out of MSQ. Things made mandatory can have some of the fun factor taken away because you *must* do them. We tend to put up mental obstacles once the choice to do something is taken away from us.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

TheLazyPeon tries to hop back on the bandwagon.

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This and also hope he don't get bunch of DT this time around.

I hope he gets to heavenward beats it. Takes a deep breath and says yup. Game still trash, even after the story. Story boring. Oh man I would laugh so hard if he just goes back and bashes the game so hard. Not enough popcorn would be needed to see how people act.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

I hope he gets to heavenward beats it. Takes a deep breath and says yup. Game still trash, even after the story. Story boring. Oh man I would laugh so hard if he just goes back and bashes the game so hard. Not enough popcorn would be needed to see how people act.

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he can say that but maybe put it more in the lines of "yeah I don't think this game is for me" lol

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

he can say that but maybe put it more in the lines of "yeah I don't think this game is for me" lol

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Ya, but people take it personal when someone does not like or bashes the game. So I hope he uses that to get a flood of people upset. I would so weaponize the community in that way. Like Quinn did lol.

Did he? Seemed that everyone was clowning on him but I don't really follow these people so I can't really say.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Did he? Seemed that everyone was clowning on him but I don't really follow these people so I can't really say.

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I mean that is what it seems to me, and his POE did pretty well after all that drama.

But ya, I just like to see social media blow up when someone bashes the game. So I hope to see the drama.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yep. That's basically what he's known for. If it's what all the "cool kids" are doing he will do that. If it's what all the cool kids are hating then he will hate it. It's nothing unusual though. The world is full of opportunists.

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Basically what many tried to do, including Asmongold.
LazyPeon was probably scared that he would be called out after Asmongold stream through ARR, best solution was to give the game another try while hoping on the bandwagon as well.
Every "XIV haters" starts to look ridiculous because of their bias that is now very obvious. Never forget fountain guy.

Blizzard is also in big troubles and gathering hate. There's very few things people would gather around for the purpose of love.
But you can be sure when it comes to hating something, you can gather millions. Remember how "Baby" from Justin Bieber on youtube got a lot of its dislikes removed so Youtube Rewind 2018 could be the most downvoted video?
Or the most downvoted comment on reddit that is an EA comment about SW:Battlefront 2?

And users here don't understand why there forums don't have downvote buttons.