Shadowbringers Ninja Job: Complaints, Feedback, and Suggestions

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Dear OP,

I get that you have very detailed, precise ideas that you want to express. But please. Summarize. And. Edit. Your initial post is about 17,000 words and about 50 pages of 12 pt type when pasted into Word. I have read graduate theses that are shorter than this. We should not have to read a 50 page term paper, before comments, to be able to participate in a forum discussion.

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You should visit the Tank Role Forums and see what the guys writing DRK changes do. It's like this every few days.

I love the design of the NIN job—the gameplay, aesthetics, class story, etc. The job is what I want it to be, which is why I play it.

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Originally Posted by DaulBan

You should visit the Tank Role Forums and see what the guys writing DRK changes do. It's like this every few days.

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You mean PLD.

I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Nothing about Ninja even remotely resembles a caster or a mage..

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Originally Posted by Silberzerox

Long Story short, you want a classic Rogue/Assassin. Thats fine. But arent you a little to "hardcore" about this "Ninja is not how i want it to be"?

The Ninja in FF14 is indeet catoonish, thats where the "magic"-inspiration comes from. Its mainly from an Anime/Manga called "Naruto".

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Ninjas have been utilizing forms of elemental attacks since as far back as ff4 if not sooner. It doesn't mean it's inspired from anime or naruto, it just means square added in abilities you saw in early ninja characters as well.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Ninjas have been utilizing forms of elemental attacks since as far back as ff4 if not sooner. It doesn't mean it's inspired from anime or naruto, it just means square added in abilities you saw in early ninja characters as well.

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When you upgrade Thief to Ninja in FF1, they can use low levels of BLM, so they have been using magic since the start.

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Originally Posted by Silberzerox

The Ninja in FF14 is indeet catoonish, thats where the "magic"-inspiration comes from. Its mainly from an Anime/Manga called "Naruto".

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Ninjas have been using supernatural powers for a long time in various Japanese media with Kabuki stage plays being the origin of a lot of ninja memes (the "traditional" black pajama ninja outfit is actual based on the outfits of Kabuki stagehands). FFXIV draws from the same sources as Naruto rather than drawing from Naruto. The Frog/Toad association with Ninjas (i.e. Hellfrog Medium) goes back at least to 1806 with Jiraiya Gōketsu Monogatari which is the origin of the Toad, Slug and Snake ninja trio of Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru.

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Originally Posted by Beddict

... the Naruto run that NIN does ...

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Actually that's not a Naruto specific thing. I don't know the origin but you can see ninjas running in that way in Japanese movies/animes/mangas from the '60s.

honestly tldr
but all i think ninja needs to to fill in the boring 123 phase like a dot,more utility and a big super stronk ninki spender (summon a giant tiger to attack like in 70 quest).

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Originally Posted by Duskane

honestly tldr
but all i think ninja needs to to fill in the boring 123 phase like a dot,more utility and a big super stronk ninki spender (summon a giant tiger to attack like in 70 quest).

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Ninja has both of those things already. Problem with the job as designed is anything like that they add in will just be even more things that it's most optimal for ninja to use in the trick attack window, so it doesn't really address the issue of things inbetween trick attacks.

Some ways to change things up could be something like a different third move in the combo that has a 20-40 second cooldown, maybe with a flank positional rather than a rear so the ninja has to move, and has the same potency of aeolian edge, but gives more ninki. They could also look into something like having that move apply an accuracy down debuff to the enemy (though I could see that being too OP if it gave the potential for tank busters to just miss entirely)