So my counter to this is the button seems unfinished. It looks as if the original intent was not to have the player be required to open their inventory then right click select apply to switch bait. The issue here is if this was the intent then why was the bait still included in your inventory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frizze
Clearly they can add separate space for these items and this is not an isolated issue to fishing but to all gathering professions. I prefer to have a little more faith in Square then some of the other posters and pray it is not a game to gouge players for money to add more bag space.
If their intent is to fix professions to be more fun and user friendly then this is a core issue with all gathering professions currently. Even something as simple as what WoW did with a separate bag that holds only crafting items helped a huge amount.
Lets talk about the Bait Box for fishing
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12-06-2020, 11:34 PMPuremallace
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12-07-2020, 12:34 AMPayadopaTypical forum reply. It's not the design that's bad, it's the player. I'm surprised you didn't follow up with 'if you don't like it play something else'. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
We have how many crafters? Each have their own materials and the game encourages you to level multiple. Then there is like a million tokens even if you only carry current content ones. Even glamour prisms use up one spot for new reason. And don't get me started on The Diadem.
I can see they are trying ease it a little bit by consolidating earrings and such but that's the bare minimum. And why can't we have more inventory space but I could literally rent 5 retainers now because that works for some reason. It only works be 'cause it brings money. -
12-07-2020, 10:17 AMJojoyaTypical forum response. "It's all money greed on SE's part, they could do it if they wanted to but they just want to milk us for more money".Quote:
Originally Posted by Payadopa
It's a for-profit business. If you don't like paying businesses who want to make a profit, stick to doing business with non-profit organizations. You might want to think about just how much money you'd personally be earning if Western economies didn't revolve around the for-profit business model.
Why can't you have more inventory space? Because it clogs up communication between server and player clients when inventories are opened and items changed. The more that has to be communicated the slower the servers respond to inquiries in general, whether inventory, chat, combat or just about anything else we do in the game. Because data doesn't take up zero room on the servers, especially when you're multiplying that data by the millions of existing characters whether or not they are currently active. There's a point that SE needs to acquire more server space to accomodate the increased data and that space doesn't come free.
SE does add in more inventory when they can find solutions that ease the communication issue. That's why we have a chocobo saddlebag now.
Why not just leave all inventory information stored solely on the player's local client until the item is removed from their inventory so the need for server-client communication is reduced? Because cheating - imagine if players had free reign to edit their inventories without some sort of authentication from the game servers.
Why are fees charged for extra retainers? Because it makes more sense to only charge those players adding to the problem with their hoarding instead of charging every player, most of whom don't need the additional space.
Believe what you want instead of researching to understand the problem. Your complaints don't make the problems go away. SE will implement improvements as they find solutions to those problems. -
12-07-2020, 01:51 PMItMe
IIRC Yoshi P has explicitly said this is a feature they'll never add.
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12-07-2020, 07:37 PMFrizzeThis ends up being a spaghetti code answer. Every time your character zones, moves an item in your inventory, picks up or throws away anything(and probly a dozen more interactions) the server checks verifies and relays your entire inventory, armory chest, currency count and probly a few more things too. Adding more general space means that every active player has more slots that need to be checked/verified every time they make a server interaction. During a play session how often do you acquire, use, lose, or arrange items, switch classes, or change zones/instances? Multiply by tens of thousands of players at any given moment. So adding general inventory isnt easy. On the other hand, retainer data is only checked when you open them or do an item search. Your chocobo saddlebag is only checked when open. Would another free retainer or a bigger bag be nice? Sure. But you can get by without them. Im a full omni crafter and i have open space on my 2 retainers, im not paying for extra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Payadopa
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12-08-2020, 12:10 AMIscahThe answer is in your first sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puremallace
Bait is used from your inventory. It can't reach across to your retainer storage and use bait from there.
The Bait button is essentially an inventory filter with a neat little interface. It's not a separate space, it's not moving your bait "into" the bait box while also still occupying inventory space, it's just finding the baits that are currently in your inventory and displaying them for you to pick.
The devs have said before that to create a dedicated space outside of the inventory for fishing tackle would take up inventory slots that could otherwise act as general storage for any kind of item.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puremallace
They could have given us a tackle box but instead gave us the saddlebag, which is far more useful as far as I'm concerned. -
12-08-2020, 01:29 AMShadygroveGeneral inventory >>>> specialized inventory. We got more inventory once the PS3 was dealt out. We got another with the saddlebag. But yet this requests persists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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12-08-2020, 04:22 AMOrmolt
At this point, I do agree that the saddlebag can fill this function when you're fishing in a lot of areas with different bait requirements as it has more than enough slots to carry a good amount of lure variety unless you need all ARR/HW/SB/SHB/Ocean bait with you at all times (personally I've never done this and sell/store my bait if I wasn't going to an expansion's areas for a while, but maybe there are people who would like this). I do think it would be nice to have a method of managing bait that didn't need you to swap the items between two inventories so a tackle box could be a small quality of life inclusion just to save some time/fiddling with buttons on that front (this is assuming you can't use bait that's in your saddlebag vs being in your inventory, which I don't remember if this is the case or not as I've not been fishing in a while and I obviously can't check in game at the moment).
Do consider that not everyone buys the extra retainers for inventory space though - they might want the extra ventures per hour for materials/greater chances of various minions etc, I know I've been tempted to get another because having multiple retainers collecting various crafting materials that drop from mobs is appealing. Maybe that still justifies the fee charge, but it's not just hoarding that can make an extra retainer (or two) appealing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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12-08-2020, 05:35 PMJojoyaTrue but they're also frequently using those retainers for the marketboard listings as well, which ultimately are yet another form of storage tied to our retainer. If it were truly a separate system, you'd be able to have your retainer selling one timeworn map while holding another of the same map in their inventory. You can't because the MB listing is still treated as being in the retainer's inventory and the maps are unique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ormolt
Some of those crazy outrages prices you see on the MB aren't players engaging in RMT. They're players using it as storage since we're free to list and delist as often as we want without incurring any fees. The post the item at a ridiculously high value so no one will buy it. If by some miracle someone does, the player is that much richer and can just go buy the item again. After all, if they've already got a lot of gil and/or don't have any items to actually sell with the listing, might as well use it to store things so other things that might be bound to the character can stored in inventory instead. -
12-08-2020, 06:12 PMICountFrom0
I'm not entirely sure that a tackle box, properly constructed as an array, with data values for the amount of each bait stored in it, (game's already capable of doing that, it's how crystals are setup), would take up the same amount of space in a player file as generic invintory spots that can hold anything.