Option to wear armour sets from different classes as Glamour for other classes

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

This question has been asked to the Devs before and they're always stupidly obtuse about it, saying they want to "preserve class fantasy" or "it would look strange having a white mage use a warrior axe" (actual response despite no one asking for weapons to be glamed like that). The real reason they don't do this is likely simple, if they made glams cross role, they wouldnt be able to repackage gear models but with different class restrictions as loot.

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The actual reality of why they don't do it is because they'd have to effectively re-design how the glamour system even works on the coding front. When you 'glamour' something, the code is basically assuming you've 'equipped' the piece, which is where the issue starts. Because its using the equip system, the coding restrictions on what job can equip what gear kick in. For them to make any piece glamorable by any other job, they'd have to re-code the glamour system and figure out a system that de-couples it from the equip system's coding; since making any piece glamourable by any other job in the current coding system would literally mean changing every piece to <all classes> for the equip requirement, which introduces balancing issues (where you'd want to equip as much tank gear as possible due to increased defense.)

Even if they managed to do so, it wouldn't prevent them from re-using assets. Take a look at the Anamesis gear being re-tools of the Shire gear of the same job type the shire gear was for without job mixing. Also the forgiven's gear all being re-used from World of Darkness gear of the same job type as before without job mixing. It ain't an issue of using it as an excuse to re-use gear; its literally because they don't have the time to re-tool the glamour system in their short dev patch windows, or don't see it as an issue.

'white mages using axes' is basically the usual non-technical answer they give to any technical question, since half the terminology they'd have to use to explain why its not going to happen at the current time would fly over 90% of the playerbase's heads.

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Originally Posted by MariaArvana

Even if they managed to do so, it wouldn't prevent them from re-using assets. Take a look at the Anamesis gear being re-tools of the Shire gear of the same job type the shire gear was for without job mixing. Also the forgiven's gear all being re-used from World of Darkness gear of the same job type as before without job mixing. It ain't an issue of using it as an excuse to re-use gear; its literally because they don't have the time to re-tool the glamour system in their short dev patch windows, or don't see it as an issue.

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Yeah, if it was just about recycling gear into different classes, I would expect them to be shuffling everything. Instead, they seem to stick to their class lines when the gear is themed after classes - tanks in armour, DPS in lightweight gear, mages in robes - and only shuffle around where all the sets are more general.

Still you get oddities like the Duelist/Thief/Plague Doctor sets shuffled into the Valkyrie sets, but instead of giving tanks the plague doctor coats they got an armour design from elsewhere. Or a few other lightweight gear sets where the design has now made it to every mage and physical DPS but not to tanks.

There's recycling going on, but also signs that they want to maintain some degree of class boundaries - for levelling gear, at least.

I know that they have their reasons, but I remember very fondly being a dual-hammer-wielding whitemage in a breastplate in FF11...would be nice to do that again.

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Originally Posted by Boa-Noah

....the special few who legitimately require memorizing gear sets so they can tell at a glance if their PVP opponent is a Black Mage or a White Mage...

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Only that doesn't matter anymore as Your opponent is named by class already. I can rock store glams which are for all classes, meaning only the weapon is a giveaway... well unless you are rocking a weapon which looks like the weapon of other classes. ie the store-bought scythe.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

You should play a Job if you want to look like that Job. It depreciates the value of Job(s) to move their unique glamours over to other Jobs, and makes it less of a draw to play any specific Job. This is not a hard concept to understand. They're not going to devalue the Jobs and make them less interesting.

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Thank you totally agree and I'm sure the developers agree with this.

I say let any armor be worn by anyone unless it is a class specific gear, like no Tanks wearing Summoner Evoker gear. I've seen some interesting glamour ideas that incorporated crafting pieces and feel the freedom should be there.

tbf most the time this topics brought up its never about class specific gear or weapons
it's just about all the leveling,raid and tome stuff
but they won't atleast any time soon so they can recycle gear for later,
like the the plague doctor set for casters is now the lvl 71 Aiming set or the lvl 66 striking set for tanks in same dungeon and all those pieces of diadem gear that still have Maiming,healing etc etc in the name are now lvl 1 glam for all
so i dont think they care that much for the "value of jobs".

there is much more examples that really do void being against this.

I'd like it as a reward for leveling other jobs, maybe with various milestones.

For example: Paladin with a level 50 trait 'Fending armor mastery' that lets you glam level 50 and below tank armor over other gear.

Paladin, Warrior and Dark Knight would have Armor Mastery Traits I, II, III and IV at 50, 60, 70 and 80 respectively.
Gunbreaker just gets the IV at 80, you got to do some tank leveling to wear the gear guys ;)

Similar set up for other roles, and other classless jobs.

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Potential technical limitations aside though, I still can't see them doing it. Would ruin a good source of easily recycled gear for glam rewards :(

I know everyone loves to claim they withhold cross-glamouring so they can recycle gear sets, but I think it's more likely that if they weren't giving us recycled-and-shuffled sets then they'd still be giving us just as many recycled sets but (in lieu of needing to shuffle them) slightly different colours or something.

See ARR where there are less job restrictions and they still just cycle the same few designs over and over.

They wouldn't magically decide to put more budget into original sets just because they've removed class locks.

I would love to wear the Mage Dress from the first Nier Raid as DNC