Binding Easter Eggs of Bahamut

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

As much as I would love to have the older raid design back, with some semblance of traversal through a zone, I don't think it's going to happen. If at first glance the 8-man raids appear to be but a series of trials, it is because the playerbase is largely more concerned with efficiency of completion. The focus, then, is on getting people to the boss as fast as humanly possible which from a design perspective can translate to "just drop them at the boss arena."

Anything else is superfluous and not desirable.

Welp, at the very least the 24-man raids, linear as they are, do feature some areas to go through... so there's that.

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I think Alexander had this right, Normal mode had the traversing through an area, Savage have you dropped off at the boss.

I wish they go back to that where the story mode takes you through the area essentially telling a story itself if pay attention but you leave that out for Savage where the spectacle is meant to be the boss fight itself.

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I'm not sure about the Binding Coil, but I'm pretty certain that defeated enemies in the Alexander raids stay dead if you wipe.

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Well yeah. They're talking about having to reenter due to the timer expiring, though.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Well yeah. They're talking about having to reenter due to the timer expiring, though.

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Are they? They said "wipe". That means the party dying, not the timer running out.

The issue was that players felt their time was wasted since there were no worthwhile rewards. I assure you, if they put a roborant, oil, sand, twine, glaze, etc. in chests on far flung paths, a lot of people would do them.

Though it's also because after Turn 1 of Binding Coil, trash monsters were on even narrower, linear paths for the most part, that were just a few pulls that offered no challenge or substance. I think it would be cool if we got more raid fights like Turn 2 of Binding Coil or Turn 4. Or Turn 7. I remember a few complaints about Turn 7 trash, but that elevator was so showy and bright and fast, and the trash was somewhat dangerous.

Of course, there was also annoying traversal, like Turn 8's pseudo stealth segment with the patrolling ADS, where the stealth basically amounts to, don't be on the path when the ADS floats through. This invariably led to people agroing the ADS 3 or 4 times before getting to the boss room, and always at least once when opening the door.

Also as far as Turn 10 goes, it wasn't because of Hide that NIN could sneak past the trash. It was the speed at which Shikuchi teleported them past the first mobs. The mobs were true sight, and rather than have the elevators locked tied to their life, they were locked tied to whether or not they were agro'd. This meant that if you had a NIN or a DRG, you could sneak past the first adds, but DRG was more risky, because Elusive Jump tracked more points than Shikuchi along the movement, meaning a higher chance of agro. After that, it was a game of sneak around the corner as the sentries turn, Hide wouldn't prevent agro, they are true sight. I used to be the sneak bitch weekly, and at first I enjoyed it, but after a few weeks I got to thinking, "Man, I wish they'd get rid of this or just make it mandatory so I'm not the only one working for the first 5 minutes of raid."

I really kind of wish we'd get a raid series where we got a 180 minute timer like in Eureka, and it was like a bigger, more complex dungeon, where you fight through trash and get to the boss rooms. But the bosses are Savage/Extreme level difficulty, and then have 3~ of these actual raid dungeons rather than platform bosses held aloft in the middle of Location X. And allow job switching in these instances, like in Eureka as well, such that you could adapt your raid group for each boss.

Of course, that's not the vision they have for this game. I just wish they wouldn't essentially self-limit trying to cater to everyone, cause the game's design does suffer for it.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

People didn't like trash packs before a boss, they were just an uninteresting waste of the players time

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Clearing your way to the boss isn't that a waste of time, it is part of doing a raid.
There are times where a group can't even clear trash before get to the boss, so them mobs are part of the fight.

Happens everywhere, WoW too if I correctly recall my past.

Then, let's do coil at MIN IL and I hardly can call them "trash mobs"... I remember the "double tank sacrifice" to speedup coil 1!