Sleeve Draw feels horrible now

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Originally Posted by elioaiko

Then it brings it back to the initial issue of constant tab-targetting, which prevents and turns people away from AST. Like it or not, it can be exhausting to do their 5.2 opener constantly. I raided on AST during Eden Titan era and while it feels great to get off the cards, it's pretty tricky on controller.

The switching problem exists due them getting rid of an AoE option that was Royal Road.

Perhaps they could give Draw 2 stacks instead? Adding more cards into Sleeve Draw only makes it a chore to do and SE only wants to boost their AST playrate which is much lower than SCH and WHM which is concerning to them of course.

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I think if they did 1 card but reduced the cooldown to 90 or 60 seconds it is spaced out enough to not be carpal tunnel, but enough to feel like we have a weave and at 60 seconds we get 3 cards for every 180seconds like we used to but better spaced out. At 90 it is enough to reduce our rDPS without being as painful.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I think if they did 1 card but reduced the cooldown to 90 or 60 seconds it is spaced out enough to not be carpal tunnel, but enough to feel like we have a weave and at 60 seconds we get 3 cards for every 180seconds like we used to but better spaced out. At 90 it is enough to reduce our rDPS without being as painful.

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The issue with making Sleeve 60 seconds is it completely eliminates any RNG with the cards. Divination is on a 120s cooldown which means you could easily fit two uses of Sleeve before your next Divination. Granted, it isn't like getting a three seal Div is difficult but I suspect SE wants to retain some degree of RNG even if it's ultimately small.

Legit question, is the carpal tunnel, RSI complaints a meme I missed or genuine concern people have?

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Originally Posted by Awha

Legit question, is the carpal tunnel, RSI complaints a meme I missed or genuine concern people have?

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Personally I hated the opener but having to cram that much into an opener can be frustrating and RNG could still hurt you so I can see where three more casual playerbase would dislike it. The tab targetting is also finicky,

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I think if they did 1 card but reduced the cooldown to 90 or 60 seconds it is spaced out enough to not be carpal tunnel, but enough to feel like we have a weave and at 60 seconds we get 3 cards for every 180seconds like we used to but better spaced out. At 90 it is enough to reduce our rDPS without being as painful.

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Yeah like ForteNight said, having it too low would defeat the purpose of RNG. Maybe in exchange for a lower CD, it drops the guaranteed aspect? I'm fine with it being 120s however.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Legit question, is the carpal tunnel, RSI complaints a meme I missed or genuine concern people have?

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It's hyperbole, but highlights a controller issue where you're jumping around the controller quite a lot in quick succession, the impression being "if you constantly do this you'll give yourself carpal tunnel" but hyperbole because I've not heard of it /actually/ happening to anybody, but it is a problem if you find yourself having to do it, it can be awkward and uncomfortable, it's a problem SMN and NIN had in 5.0 and SE corrected it very quickly. Whilst you can play AST without the problem, when you're trying to optimise your cards, it is an issue.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

The issue with making Sleeve 60 seconds is it completely eliminates any RNG with the cards. Divination is on a 120s cooldown which means you could easily fit two uses of Sleeve before your next Divination. Granted, it isn't like getting a three seal Div is difficult but I suspect SE wants to retain some degree of RNG even if it's ultimately small.

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Fair point, in which case, would reducing the recast of Draw be better instead? Maybe to 45 or 30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

Fair point, in which case, would reducing the recast of Draw be better instead? Maybe to 45 or 30 seconds.

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Draw currently already has a 30 second recast.

I find this version of Sleeve Draw only useful when two seals have already been drawn. It guarantees the third one to be different from the other two.

So in essence it only ensures the opening divination in a fight to be at three seals, that is if the party is willing to wait 30s before the pull.

Draw a card before pull, and wait for the CD on draw to be almost over. Then start fight, fling first card, then second then Sleeve draw for the third then divination.

I wish we could have something to reduce Sleeve Draw's CD with proper play. Maybe a trait that recudes Sleeve Draw CD by X seconds everytime we use the proper card on a target and every time we use a 3 seal divination.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

So in essence it only ensures the opening divination in a fight to be at three seals, that is if the party is willing to wait 30s before the pull.

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I know Divination isn’t a required opener but what genius game design that you have to actively wait to use it effectively.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I know Divination isn’t a required opener but what genius game design that you have to actively wait to use it effectively.

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It could have been much easier to resolve of Sleeve Draw just filled your three seals.

Activate your Sleeve Draw, making the next card you throw grant three different seals and the next Divination you cast has its damage increase become 10% instead of 6%.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Legit question, is the carpal tunnel, RSI complaints a meme I missed or genuine concern people have?

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For some, potentially. Back in Everquest, my guild's main Bard was pretty much crippled by RSI towards the end of of Luclin.