It's a pity there's no way to reject the advanced jobs

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

Again, this is just me: but I hate ninja animations. You're just too... slick. And while that fits a pracitioner of ninjitsu fine, it's downright stupid for a former rogue.

In some ways, I feel like rogues have more in common with red mage... and that is to say: the transition from rogue -> swashbuckler is easier for me to buy off on than thief -> master assassin.

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Well, the thing is, one of Rogue's signature abilities is Hide and the class uses a pair of daggers as weapons. That fits Assassin/Ninja quite well.

I feel like a Red Mage/Swashbuckler would be more of an in-your-face type of duelist rather than someone who would be sneaking around. And if you're sneaking around, you have to be pretty slick in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I would much prefer to keep classes but I would enjoy starting things from level 1.
The way jobs were handled in ARR was poor in regards to SCH/SMN and that left a sour note they wanted to get away from.

But by these days, they're fine. SMN isn't exactly lacking due to SCH and vice versa. The shared attribute points a long thing of the past.
As long as we have classes, they have the option for multiple job stones.

Sadly, I doubt it'll ever happen :(

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I don't really care whether they keep classes or jobs, just as long as it's one thing all the way through from level 1 to max level.

And having multiple job stones, while neat, can also be a source of unnecessary mistakes as people forget to equip them.

And I don't mind SMN/SCH remaining tied, but it's an option if they ever revamp the job system.

I would absolutely rather be a straight up damage dealing Archer than a pseudo-support Bard any day.

Won't work. Archers not spoony enough.

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Originally Posted by linayar

I want them someday to remove classes altogether, let a new character start as any job from level 1 (no more having to level a different job to get to the new job) and then potentially reintroducing some of the old classes (like Archer) as separate jobs. Oh, and maybe separating Scholar and Summoner, although I do like the free level to complete the role quests.

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I mean for some classes the current system works better for their story and progression (CNJ -> WHM, THM -> BLM, LNC -> DRG) and I'd hate to see those stories get retconned away. :T (plus, a lvl 1 whm, blm, or drg just wouldn't make sense)

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Originally Posted by Roda

I mean for some classes the current system works better for their story and progression (CNJ -> WHM, THM -> BLM, LNC -> DRG) and I'd hate to see those stories get retconned away. :T (plus, a lvl 1 whm, blm, or drg just wouldn't make sense)

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That's why I suggested the idea of moving the timeline forward. So a new character can start as a WHM after it's been reintroduced without retconning the fact that previously only CNJ existed.

And then anyone who wants to see how CNJ became WHM can use NG+.

yeah man, when i first started playing i had a totally different idea of what a gladiator should become, really wish they kept that instead of going the paladin route

Re: Level 1 Jobs

I think they have an opportunity for a timeskip after the Hydeaelyn/Garlemald arc is over, that would be useful for a retool of classes as well as the job storylines, but OTOH, I kinda doubt the devs would seize it and such a timeskip would entail a removal or retooling of old content like what happened with 1.0.

Re: Classes

I think the Limited Job system might actually allow the use of Class "Flavor" in those cases. Have them take the DOT/poison aspect up to 11 (within reason, due to FATE and Hunt content) and introduce them via the guilds (Say Oboro wants to use the Rouge's guild as a front and needs a method to find recruits like the WoL) and voila, you have a decent compromise unless you really love using the class animations in instanced content

Aside bonus would be that the Thief limited job would act like a quasi DoL for mob drops. as that would likely emphasize the mugging aspect.

Would require the reworking of a lot of new skills after 30. I can't imagine healing as a Conjurer without my WHM Skill set. I doubt the devs are prepared to consider doing that for all the roles.

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Originally Posted by CrispyUnicycle

yeah man, when i first started playing i had a totally different idea of what a gladiator should become, really wish they kept that instead of going the paladin route

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I feel the same way, with the slight variation that I wish gld and pld were two distinct jobs. Pld could continue its holy/light combat aesthetic while gld is more down to earth/gritty combat (If that makes sense).