One shot mechanics in Normal Raids

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I have trouble with the blue/red portals. I've looked for a guide but don't seem to be able to find one just yet. Anyone with a link to a good one? I need to heal it with one of my alts and I don't like doing that if I can't deal with mechanics before going. I've been dps'ing up to now.

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Not sure if there is a guide, but the grasp of it is this:
1. The first portal will be the one where the first portion of sin eaters came into, so be sure to pay attention where do they go.
2. On "unjoyed aspect" + portals you will need to check what color sin eaters come to which portal. Don't forget that the color of your debuff changes after the contanct. So let's say you got Light debuff, which means you need to get Dark sin eaters. After that your color changes to Dark, so for sin eaters that will come from portals you will need to contact with Light aspected ones.

This mechanic isn't particularly hard, but it does require some amount of attention and somewhat fast reaction.

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Originally Posted by WK74648

I think i'm having problem is the level of complexity with the mechanic that is also a one shot. Kefka, all you had to do was not be near an edge. simple enough. Where this is changing colors which is random and checking to see which color is coming out of what portal and making sure you are switching to the right color when the portal beam comes out. All in a matter of seconds. Maybe i'm overthinking it.

Currently in my 2nd group for today and we just initiated vote abandon.

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Seems complex but you can figure it out as the first dive is charging. First, line up with the first vertical dive of the opposite color of the debuff you have. Next, look at the column with the other vertical color dive you aren't standing in and pan your camera to see which color portal it is going to go into. Then look across to the east or west and move down to that color while still in the same column for the first dive to the correct horizontal color portal. Finally, dodge the final vertical color dive. Check your debuff again if you are confused.

Whenever you get hit it swaps you to the opposite color, which means to dodge the horizontal dive coming out of the side you have to get hit by the same color you initially started off with so you just have to figure out which portal that will be.

It's a bit mind gamey but they seem to be adding more of that stuff recently. There are probably easier ways to deal with it but that's what worked for me.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I have trouble with the blue/red portals. I've looked for a guide but don't seem to be able to find one just yet. Anyone with a link to a good one? I need to heal it with one of my alts and I don't like doing that if I can't deal with mechanics before going. I've been dps'ing up to now.

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I used this and it is very straightforward to understand for me.
https://youtu.be/6-BBJwvZ2vM

Far as I can tell the portal colors are always the same, with red on the left and blue on the right. So that removes one thing to check every time. Probably the portals on the side are always in the same order as well.

I was expecting this thread to pop up because E7, while a very cool fight even in normal (and I haven 't had any difficulty nor failed the mechanic), is poorly designed for party play.

Indeed, in order for the boss to proceed smoothly, it requires most players in the group to actually understand the mechanic. While you can explain stuff, sadly, some people lack the intellect or are simply too slow to understand what stuff is about in P2, even after countless tries and even after lengthily explanations. When those people are the healers and or the people with the BR, there is no way your group can clear. Even when the people who understand the mechanic can BR, they spend most of their time raising the same people during the fight and it becomes really bumpy.

What SE needs is to stop designing fights in entry level difficulty tier such as the whole team must have homogeneous skill level. While it is (kinda) fine for organized play (even though I don't really agree), it isn't in PuG where you cannot control who will join your group. You need to have room in the party for good players who will teach players and players that are less competent or learning. Group content should be about the group communicating and play as a team to complete the content, not 8 distinct individuals having to each jump on their own in hoops and being a hindrance should they fail (basically what E7 is during gate + light/dark debuff mechanic).

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Originally Posted by einschwartz

I used this and it is very straightforward to understand for me.
https://youtu.be/6-BBJwvZ2vM

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Thank you will look in a bit in a hunt train healing at the moment. :)

ya heaven forbid a raid require any thought.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

What SE needs is to stop designing fights in entry level difficulty tier such as the whole team must have homogeneous skill level. While it is (kinda) fine for organized play (even though I don't really agree), it isn't in PuG where you cannot control who will join your group. You need to have room in the party for good players who will teach players and players that are less competent or learning. Group content should be about the group communicating and play as a team to complete the content, not 8 distinct individuals having to each jump on their own in hoops and being a hindrance should they fail (basically what E7 is during gate + light/dark debuff mechanic).

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But that's how it already works. I did E7 a couple of hours ago, and while the group wiped three times, each time I gave instructions on what to do with that mechanic and each time people did better. Eventually we succeeded. It's just that every once in a while there's a group with a sufficient concentration of badness that the duty cannot be completed. In such cases it's best to just abandon and try again with a new group. It's impossible to design content so that any group, no matter how inept, can pass it, while simultaneously maintaining even a modicum of interest.

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Originally Posted by einschwartz

I used this and it is very straightforward to understand for me.
https://youtu.be/6-BBJwvZ2vM

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Thank you that was extremely helpful. Unlocking content on an alt right now and will be trying it soon. I feel confident now i understand the mechanic. I do not like healing content where I can't keep myself alive let alone the party.

I like having a bit of a challenge to overcome in a raid/dungeon. Otherwise it's just burn boss and healspam.

Only con comes from salty players.

Kinda hope they add more challenging bosses in new msq dungeons.